Any S to Fuji GFX100s Comparisons?

[frame-it]

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On 7/2/2023 at 3:23 PM, frame-it said:

\simply talking about clients who want that super resolution quality [with as little scaling as possible]

Putting up a Typical High Resolution Print Poster [you can judge the size based on the humans and truck ;)], walked right up to it later, its quality was amazing like looking at an image on a computer screen

 

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[Pieter12]

On 7/10/2023 at 8:27 AM, frame-it said:

Putting up a Typical High Resolution Print Poster [you can judge the size based on the humans and truck ;)], walked right up to it later, its quality was amazing like looking at an image on a computer screen

 

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Seems like a waste. Up close, you can't take in the image or the message. You need to be a good distance away to see the whole thing and all that detail and resolution is a poor use of money, pigment and printing time.

[frame-it]

4 hours ago, Pieter12 said:

Seems like a waste. Up close, you can't take in the image or the message. You need to be a good distance away to see the whole thing and all that detail and resolution is a poor use of money, pigment and printing time.

well,that's your opinion [you forgot to mention that]

if someone wants to do it they can

same as if someone [ive seen before], has the money and wants to use a phase one 100mp camera for street photography, they can!

the context and point was, some people who care about quality, perhaps like to upscale the image as little as possible.

[Pieter12]

3 hours ago, frame-it said:

well,that's your opinion [you forgot to mention that]

if someone wants to do it they can

same as if someone [ive seen before], has the money and wants to use a phase one 100mp camera for street photography, they can!

the context and point was, some people who care about quality, perhaps like to upscale the image as little as possible.

Fine for personal projects. However, that was an advertisement for Mini, the client paid for it and was foolish to waste money in that manner. The agency should have recommended against it. Unless, of course there was some shenanigans involved, such as throwing a supplier a bone or using a photographer insisted on (recommended, hint, hint) by the client or other sort of "favor." Happens all the time, I guess. The point is that even if the image reeks of quality (for Mini?) no one close enough to observe that quality can tell who the ad/image was for or about.

[frame-it]

8 minutes ago, Pieter12 said:

Fine for personal projects. However, that was an advertisement for Mini, the client paid for it and was foolish to waste money in that manner. The agency should have recommended against it. Unless, of course there was some shenanigans involved, such as throwing a supplier a bone or using a photographer insisted on (recommended, hint, hint) by the client or other sort of "favor." Happens all the time, I guess. The point is that even if the image reeks of quality (for Mini?) no one close enough to observe that quality can tell who the ad/image was for or about.

amazing

complaining about and abusing the clients for getting a  beautiful high quality print..

[helged]

A few observations after using S-lenses on GFX100S - by means of a dumb adapter - was that the S-lenses deliver brilliantly on a 100mp sensor and, importantly for handheld shooting, that IBIS is helpful indeed.

The latter is nothing new, but it clearly demonstrated the power of eg S180 that is hard to use handheld on existing S-bodies (for me, at least).

Personally, I think IBIS is a significant upgrade to the S-line (assuming - and believing - that S4 will eventually materialise). Likewise modern AF control. A new set of S-lenses can be expected to come with S4. But hopefully (and likely), an adapter will allow existing S-lenses to be used on S4. Possibly SL-lenses as well in FF crop mode. 

[ropo54]

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Similarly,  S lenses on the SL bodies with image stabilization are also amazing.  

(Why no adapter for S lenses onto the Hasselblad X2D system?)

[BernardC]

10 hours ago, Pieter12 said:

Fine for personal projects. However, that was an advertisement for Mini, the client paid for it and was foolish to waste money in that manner. The agency should have recommended against it.

What money was wasted, really? The whole point is to have your billboard stand-out from thousands of others. Surely nobody buys a Mini in Asia because they want to fit-in.

Besides, the print is obviously at street level, so the usual argument about how people will be too far to notice the detail don't apply here.

[Stuart Richardson]

Just as a quick aside, there are use cases for billboards or extremely large prints that you are close to, where it might be nice for them to have higher resolution. An example I have noticed here is a sporting goods store that printed large pictures on their exterior, so as you are walking by the sidewalk next to the store, you are right next to the prints. You can see how awful they look and how the photographer was a typical influencer style photographer, probably using something like a 5D Mark II or III (yes, that old). So while the prints stand up from far away, they look like garbage up close. Had they paid a real photographer, they might have gotten something that looked great up close and far away. (I am not talking about me, lol, despite my griping...not interested in that kind of work). But I tend to notice this stuff a lot, both from the photographer's side and from the printer's side.

Edited July 12, 2023 by Stuart Richardson

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2 hours ago, ropo54 said:

Similarly,  S lenses on the SL bodies with image stabilization are also amazing.  

(Why no adapter for S lenses onto the Hasselblad X2D system?)

For proprietary reasons, I belive...

[ynp]

19 hours ago, Pieter12 said:

Seems like a waste. Up close, you can't take in the image or the message. You need to be a good distance away to see the whole thing and all that detail and resolution is a poor use of money, pigment and printing time.

I have seen those highly detailed posters and displays in the South of China and in Bangkok this April.  

[frame-it]

here is another one, approx 40ft wide and gorgeous quality

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5 hours ago, ropo54 said:

Similarly,  S lenses on the SL bodies with image stabilization are also amazing.  

(Why no adapter for S lenses onto the Hasselblad X2D system?)

If there were, you'd have to use the electronic shutter. With the camera's IBIS, camera shake wouldn't matter, but subject movement would. How could you take those terrific pics of your grandkids playing tennis and baseball? 🙂

[Einst_Stein]

20 hours ago, frame-it said:

well,that's your opinion [you forgot to mention that]

if someone wants to do it they can

same as if someone [ive seen before], has the money and wants to use a phase one 100mp camera for street photography, they can!

the context and point was, some people who care about quality, perhaps like to upscale the image as little as possible.

It Is certainly personal, but still, not recommended..

[ropo54]

2 hours ago, bags27 said:

If there were, you'd have to use the electronic shutter. With the camera's IBIS, camera shake wouldn't matter, but subject movement would. How could you take those terrific pics of your grandkids playing tennis and baseball? 🙂

Haha.  Thanks Ken.

But, there are adapters for the M lenses which work with electronic shutter on the Hasselblad X system.  

Rob

[Pieter12]

6 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Just as a quick aside, there are use cases for billboards or extremely large prints that you are close to, where it might be nice for them to have higher resolution. An example I have noticed here is a sporting goods store that printed large pictures on their exterior, so as you are walking by the sidewalk next to the store, you are right next to the prints. You can see how awful they look and how the photographer was a typical influencer style photographer, probably using something like a 5D Mark II or III (yes, that old). So while the prints stand up from far away, they look like garbage up close. Had they paid a real photographer, they might have gotten something that looked great up close and far away. (I am not talking about me, lol, despite my griping...not interested in that kind of work). But I tend to notice this stuff a lot, both from the photographer's side and from the printer's side.

In the first example posted, the photo of the poster was taken from a distance where you cannot discern detail, yet you cannot get the messsage either. So closer to appreciate the detail, you will get nothing but a nice picture. Waste of money. I cannot tell the size of the second example but in my opinion the detail that might be there does nothing to enhance the image. It's pretty awful.

 

As far as the sporting goods store, if there were more detail to the images, would you like them better? Walking past them on the sidewalk, could you even tell what they are for? And why blame an influencer for the photography? Influencers tend to use smartphones. There are plenty of mediocre photographers to go around as it is. Older cameras still make fine photos, don't blame the equipment.

[Stuart Richardson]

This is not really a high stakes argument, and you already seem convinced, so don’t let me stop you. I was just giving an example. 

[frame-it]

1 hour ago, Stuart Richardson said:

This is not really a high stakes argument, and you already seem convinced, so don’t let me stop you. I was just giving an example. 

yes

that persons comments are amusing as the context was simply > using a higher res LARGER sensor for the source files to avoid upscaling more while processing/printing

but he seems to be locked on to aesthetics and budgets and clients being foolish to pay money.

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[Pieter12]

3 hours ago, frame-it said:

yes

that persons comments are amusing as the context was simply > using a higher res LARGER sensor for the source files to avoid upscaling more while processing/printing

but he seems to be locked on to aesthetics and budgets and clients being foolish to pay money.

I'm glad you find my comments amusing. But I was making statements in the context of commercial use (because that is the example given) where the practicality of budget and the wise use of a client's money come into play.

[tjphoto]

On 7/12/2023 at 5:29 AM, Stuart Richardson said:

Just as a quick aside, there are use cases for billboards or extremely large prints that you are close to, where it might be nice for them to have higher resolution. An example I have noticed here is a sporting goods store that printed large pictures on their exterior, so as you are walking by the sidewalk next to the store, you are right next to the prints. You can see how awful they look and how the photographer was a typical influencer style photographer, probably using something like a 5D Mark II or III (yes, that old). So while the prints stand up from far away, they look like garbage up close. Had they paid a real photographer, they might have gotten something that looked great up close and far away. (I am not talking about me, lol, despite my griping...not interested in that kind of work). But I tend to notice this stuff a lot, both from the photographer's side and from the printer's side.

Canon 5D were the main camera used in advertising for a long time.