Any S to Fuji GFX100s Comparisons?

[tom0511]

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vor 5 Stunden schrieb basse:

Suppose we were a few years further on and the standard resolution was - let's say - 10 GP, a hundred times more than today. In addition, there would be a super-IBIS and it would be possible to photograph the darkness without noise. What would be then?
Would we be happy and only take photographs?

Or would we still be distracted by taking pictures? Maybe someone would get the crazy idea to take pictures in interesting daylight. Or just set the aperture, shutter speed, distance and ISO. Nothing more. The rest belongs to the good eye and the idea of telling a story with a photograph.
We already live in the future and all cameras are more perfect than the quality of our image compositions and the stories we want to tell with photos. At least that's the way it is with me. I am very happy with the Leica equipment. It doesn't bother me if 300 MP is possible or 900 MP. I don't need folding mirrors and I'm not horrified when they're offered.

The Leica S doesn't stop me from winning the Pulitzer Prize. Not even if there are more specialised cameras for specialised tasks. We simply have a diminishing marginal utility at some point.
 

If I sometimes look at film I still think digital has a long way to go  and resolution is not the main point. It could be its my brain growing up with film. And one could say - just use film. But I would like film look without film procedure and cost. Sorry, off topic

Edited March 15, 2021 by tom0511

[bags27]

Fotodiox L/S-GFX Lens Adapter Leica S-Mount Lens to Fujifilm GFX 50S Camera

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[plasticman]

2 hours ago, frame-it said:

some nice shots in the pool >

 

https://www.flickr.com/groups/fujifilm-gfx100s/pool/page1

98% of these shots could be iPhone captures. No different to my snapshots of course - I’m not making that judgement.

Just indistinguishable from a normal snap. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by plasticman
Changed percent to 98 😂

[ZHNL]

26 minutes ago, bags27 said:

Fotodiox L/S-GFX Lens Adapter Leica S-Mount Lens to Fujifilm GFX 50S Camera

That is a stupid adapter than a smart one

And it can’t reach infinity on majority of S glasses. I still like it as it is the only option. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by ZHNL

[Stuart Richardson]

8 hours ago, plasticman said:

Sometimes on the Leica forum I feel I've fallen into some sort of parallel universe, where equipment discussions take on a surreal quality that's disconnected from real-life and real photography. Having recently bought an X1D to augment my mostly film-based equipment, the discussion in this thread is an example of what I'm talking about. 

 

I think maybe you misread this? He was not saying that the X1D was rubbish, only that you don't hear about people using adapted lenses with it because using them with a slow electronic shutter is rubbish. The X1D has always and will continue to make beautiful files.

 

[plasticman]

12 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I think maybe you misread this? He was not saying that the X1D was rubbish, only that you don't hear about people using adapted lenses with it because using them with a slow electronic shutter is rubbish. The X1D has always and will continue to make beautiful files.

 

I hadn’t entirely misread the post, I just thought it was a massive over-statement.

I’ve seen the rolling shutter problem described many times, and seen some graphic examples, but I’ve also seen many more great shots with non-native lenses that have tempted me to try for myself.

Quite simply, I just think in the tribal wars over cameras, the supposed shortcomings are always exaggerated. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by plasticman

[tom0511]

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vor 20 Minuten schrieb plasticman:

I hadn’t entirely misread the post, I just thought it was a massive over-statement.

I’ve seen the rolling shutter problem described many times, and seen some graphic examples, but I’ve also seen many more great shots with non-native lenses that have tempted me to try for myself.

Quite simply, I just think in the tribal wars over cameras, the supposed shortcomings are always exaggerated. 

I totally agree with your last setntence in regards of too much focusing on the shortcomings.

[Stuart Richardson]

I agree with that from a technical standpoint, but I also think the reason that people are passionate about it is that certain cameras do work a lot better for particular individuals, and explaining/justifying that is often done through trying to argue the technical details. I find it funny that "the buttons feel better to me and I like the way the shutter feels" is somehow a bad argument, while "it has less banding at 6400" is a good one. While I think technical details are certainly important, "feel" is generally undervalued. When comparing cameras, people often seem to gravitate towards these more concrete specs. Also, frankly, a lot of the arguing is done by amateurs who may not have so much time spent with cameras in general, so a cameras merit might be more in the spec sheet than in how it actually is in use... It is hard to describe the ineffable "rightness" of certain cameras...the way that they seem to get the important details just right, even if they may no longer be the newest or most advanced.

For me, the S006 is one those cameras, as was the M9. As is the Hexar AF, the Mamiya 7II, the Panasonic S1, the Hasselblad 203FE etc. For me personally, the X1D was a beautiful looking camera with so much right about it, but when I borrowed it, I could not get past the feeling around the shutter delay and the slowness of the response. I know that the actual delay was not as long as it appeared, but something about it cut me off from the immediacy of the photographic moment, and it aggravated me. But I know that the newer cameras improved on that. For me that was a camera that ticked nearly all the technical and ergonomic boxes, but which failed on a critical one. But I know a number of photographers who adore it. I am not interested in the tribal wars that you describe...I appreciate a good camera from anyone...

[ZHNL]

+1 about X1D2. It is the best looking and build camera with nice ergo until you shoot it, I can’t bare the slowness no matter how beautiful the camera is or the files are. 
 

Just got 100s on hand, the menu is as mess as anything out there. The control layout is a step below 50s.(maybe I just need more time)
 

IBIS and adaptability wins me over the cons though. Build quality is a step below S and X1dx. No deny about that. I love it’s shutter though, light with minimal delay. 
 

fuji gives too much craps bury in the menu, the setup could be confusion. however, I think I don’t need go through it once I optimize its setting. Let’s just say pick your poison, you can’t have all. 
 

I don’t take offense on gear selection as long as people aware this is a technical talk about gears.  

[ZHNL]

4 hours ago, plasticman said:

98% of these shots could be iPhone captures. No different to my snapshots of course - I’m not making that judgement.

Just indistinguishable from a normal snap. 

You don’t happen to be the one believe gear can make better images, do you?

[xiaubauu2009]

6 hours ago, plasticman said:

I hadn’t entirely misread the post, I just thought it was a massive over-statement.

I’ve seen the rolling shutter problem described many times, and seen some graphic examples, but I’ve also seen many more great shots with non-native lenses that have tempted me to try for myself.

Quite simply, I just think in the tribal wars over cameras, the supposed shortcomings are always exaggerated. 

sorry, I really didn't mean to say X1D was rubbish, just adapting lens is not good with it. A miss opportunity. I have always wanted to build a 1 camera system that can be both street usable while capable of going onto a tech cam body such as Cambo Actus or some adaptor onto Alpa etc. GFX is actually not good for that purpose cause of the longer flange, limited at doing wide angle stuff with a tech cam lens and X1D was just good enough to do it, but the electronics/unstable-ness of the system just makes it as a whole not a very good system to use. It's nicely designed form factor, but maybe because it's too into looks that it has not reach its full potential. I am sure each subsequent iteration will be better. I have no brand royalty, just like good and well make cameras.

[plasticman]

3 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

I have always wanted to build a 1 camera system that can be both street usable while capable of going onto a tech cam body such as Cambo Actus or some adaptor onto Alpa etc. GFX is actually not good for that purpose cause of the longer flange, limited at doing wide angle stuff with a tech cam lens and X1D was just good enough to do it, but the electronics/unstable-ness of the system just makes it as a whole not a very good system to use. 

This is interesting as I first thought it was a perfect camera to put on an adapter for my Arca Swiss F-line system - rolling shutter would hardly matter for landscape - but I decided against even trying when I realized what a dust-magnet the charged sensor would be.

Just for the record, I haven't experienced any electronic problems or instability - I think those might have been solved by updates - but I can totally understand objections to it being slow.

[ZHNL]

I tested IBIS on 100S and very happy with it.  I can hand hold 1/8s with 80mm lux on it and get consistent usable results. I didn't really push it as it is really good enough. The 100S's shutter is the highlight of this camera, a super well designed shutter that you don't need push it too much to cause any vibration. the shutter design remind me of top end Nikon SLR body which I feel always has the best shutter implementation in industry.  

I sold my 180S as I feel it got very limited usage from me over the 3 year I had it due to limitation of S camera shooting envelope without stablization or tripod. Because of that,  I don't want carry it when hiking. 

I think I will get it back due to very effective IBIS of SL2 and this FUJI. I am even thinking about bring 100S with a set of pre-defined f11~f13 S glass with me for my next trip. Hope f11 can fix those can't reach infinity ones, didn't test yet. 

I will pay top dollar for a smart adapter for FUJI. I bet many leica S owner will do the same before S4 show up.   

Edited March 16, 2021 by ZHNL

[helged]

5 minutes ago, ZHNL said:

I tested IBIS on 100S and very happy with it.  I can hand hold 1/8s with 80mm lux on it and get consistent usable results. I didn't really push it as it is really good enough. The 100S's shutter is the highlight of this camera, a super well designed shutter that you don't need push it too much to cause any vibration. the shutter design remind me of top end Nikon SLR body which I feel always has the best shutter implementation in industry.  

I sold my 180S as I feel it got very limited usage from me over the 3 year I had it due to limitation of S camera shooting envelope without stablization or tripod. Because of that,  I don't want carry it when hiking. 

I think I will get it back due to very effective IBIS of SL2 and this FUJI. I am even thinking about bring 100S with a set of pre-defined f11~f13 S glass with me for my next trip. Hope f11 can fix those can't reach infinity ones, didn't test yet. 

I will pay top dollar for a smart adapter for FUJI. I bet many leica S owner will do the same before S4 show up.   

Interesting, pass a word regarding your experience with the 100s! (particularly with S-glass on this forum...) 

[ZHNL]

17 minutes ago, helged said:

Interesting, pass a word regarding your experience with the 100s! (particularly with S-glass on this forum...) 

Will do once I have more information about it. I think for the ones can't reach infinity with Fotodiox, we need be careful as I know each lenses have different tolerance  on how much more to passing infinity. In other words, mine maybe can reach infinity but yours may not, vise versa. I said this because I know personally that S glasses behave differently on passing infinity mark even from the same focal. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by ZHNL

[xiaubauu2009]

5 hours ago, plasticman said:

This is interesting as I first thought it was a perfect camera to put on an adapter for my Arca Swiss F-line system - rolling shutter would hardly matter for landscape - but I decided against even trying when I realized what a dust-magnet the charged sensor would be.

Just for the record, I haven't experienced any electronic problems or instability - I think those might have been solved by updates - but I can totally understand objections to it being slow.

ya, bought into a long of stupid system cause I wanted to do a compact camera that can turn into digital backs.....

[xiaubauu2009]

4 hours ago, ZHNL said:

I tested IBIS on 100S and very happy with it.  I can hand hold 1/8s with 80mm lux on it and get consistent usable results. I didn't really push it as it is really good enough. The 100S's shutter is the highlight of this camera, a super well designed shutter that you don't need push it too much to cause any vibration. the shutter design remind me of top end Nikon SLR body which I feel always has the best shutter implementation in industry.  

I sold my 180S as I feel it got very limited usage from me over the 3 year I had it due to limitation of S camera shooting envelope without stablization or tripod. Because of that,  I don't want carry it when hiking. 

I think I will get it back due to very effective IBIS of SL2 and this FUJI. I am even thinking about bring 100S with a set of pre-defined f11~f13 S glass with me for my next trip. Hope f11 can fix those can't reach infinity ones, didn't test yet. 

I will pay top dollar for a smart adapter for FUJI. I bet many leica S owner will do the same before S4 show up.   

The code to the lens need to be crack! hahaha.

[plasticman]

2 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

ya, bought into a long of stupid system cause I wanted to do a compact camera that can turn into digital backs.....

Not exactly sure what you mean.

But anyways I've been trying the electronic shutter on the X1D this morning, and aside from when I really tried to shake the camera around I haven't noticed anything weird yet - although I haven't tested anything super-challenging either. I photographed thin, straight vertical objects, and also people talking - which I expected to lead to some really weird mouth or face shapes - but actually they looked totally normal (or as normal as people can look when you photograph them talking) - no unexpected distortion or 'jello' effect, whatsoever.

Maybe the supposed jello effect will be more visible when I try to photograph the kids? Or maybe it's not as serious as people think - as in this thread on GetDPI

On that basis I ordered the Leica-M to X adapter from Novoflex - which is the one recommended by Ming Thein. Have a couple of their adapters for the Leica T and they are very solid, though not very elegant. 

[BernardC]

19 hours ago, plasticman said:

98% of these shots could be iPhone captures. No different to my snapshots of course - I’m not making that judgement.

Just indistinguishable from a normal snap. 

Agree.

I wonder what those plated food shots would look like printed 4m wide, and displayed in a gallery! The artist's statement almost writes itself...

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[frame-it]

20 hours ago, plasticman said:

98% of these shots could be iPhone captures. No different to my snapshots of course - I’m not making that judgement.

Just indistinguishable from a normal snap. 

Ah yes, the typical snarky LUF comment.