farnz Posted January 30, 2021 Share #61 Posted January 30, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: But has it fixed the bug in which you wind and wind but the film doesn't actually move? Unfortunately not, Scott, that would need a software update for the User, which hasn't been released yet. There was some thought of including the User software update in a vaccine but that's been dropped now so we'll have to keep checking manually that the sprocket has meshed with the film for the time being. Pete. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 Hi farnz, Take a look here M10 new Firmware, finally. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Edax Posted January 30, 2021 Share #62 Posted January 30, 2021 I took a look inside the firmware file and to my big surprise noticed that there is experimental code with respect to rangefinder window wipers... 😀 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted January 30, 2021 Share #63 Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Edax said: I took a look inside the firmware file and to my big surprise noticed that there is experimental code with respect to rangefinder window wipers... 😀 Give the deveopers some time. They have to include a "demist" or "clean" action. A wiper spray could be incorporated with the wind lever.!, The water reservoir could replace the battery. Then the camera will be truly manual. I'm only making a suggestion but keep watching! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 30, 2021 Share #64 Posted January 30, 2021 Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this perspective correction only applied to JPGs or to DNGs as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted January 30, 2021 Share #65 Posted January 30, 2021 7 hours ago, faxao said: The idea of going through the cumbersome procedure needed anytime a firmware update is done to keep the sequential file numbering makes me puzzled, specially if no relevant or significant improvement is in sight for my "vintage" M10 Seems to me that the M is the model in which maintaining file numbering is not cumbersome. Put into the camera a memory card with the last file taken before the firmware update, then take a picture, and sequence numbering will continue from that file. Isn’t that so? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faxao Posted January 30, 2021 Share #66 Posted January 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, erudolph said: Seems to me that the M is the model in which maintaining file numbering is not cumbersome. Put into the camera a memory card with the last file taken before the firmware update, then take a picture, and sequence numbering will continue from that file. Isn’t that so? You're right, my bad. I was mixing up things with firmware update on my other Leica Q 🙃 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 30, 2021 Share #67 Posted January 30, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, rramesh said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this perspective correction only applied to JPGs or to DNGs as well. Regardless of settings, an M10-P, -R, or -M now writes the calculated angle settings (the four corners of the PC "window") into metadata in case you want to use it once you reach LightRoom or ACR. Since the information is stored in meta data it can affect the DNG file. If you shoot only DNG with PC on, and review the image in camera, the jpeg that is created for the review will show the corrections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted January 30, 2021 Share #68 Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Regardless of settings, an M10-P, -R, or -M now writes the calculated angle settings (the four corners of the PC "window") into metadata in case you want to use it once you reach LightRoom or ACR. Since the information is stored in meta data it can affect the DNG file. If you shoot only DNG with PC on, and review the image in camera, the jpeg that is created for the review will show the corrections. And yet, when opening a PCed file from the M10M in ACR and setting the Geometry module to Auto, there is no correction visible and no guide lines appear. So,, it'd seem Adobe is not reading this metadata in Monochrom files? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 30, 2021 Share #69 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, erudolph said: And yet, when opening a PCed file from the M10M in ACR and setting the Geometry module to Auto, there is no correction visible and no guide lines appear. So,, it'd seem Adobe is not reading this metadata in Monochrom files? Unfortunately, PC does not work for M10M at the moment, unless you shoot JPG. Edited January 30, 2021 by SrMi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyturk Posted January 30, 2021 Share #70 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) On 1/29/2021 at 3:26 AM, Nowhereman said: I haven't been able to find anything on the M10-P having acceleration sensors. I thought that acceleration sensors are used for IBIS. I've seen posts — don't recall where — that the M10-P and the M10 have the same sensors. ________________________Frog Leaping photobook The M10-P clearly does have an accelerometer, since that's exactly how these things are implemented at the hardware level. These chips measure acceleration in three dimensions and a part of every modern cell phone and fitness tracker. I don't know whether the electronics of the base M10 has an accelerometer. Perhaps the chip is on the circuit board, and not enabled. But if it's not in the electronics, there's no way to add firmware features that require accurate orientation information. If there are photos of M10 vs M10-P circuit boards, it'll be easy to tell. IBIS implementations will also have a gyro (maybe more than one) in addition to an accelerometer. Edited January 30, 2021 by andyturk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyturk Posted January 30, 2021 Share #71 Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Regardless of settings, an M10-P, -R, or -M now writes the calculated angle settings (the four corners of the PC "window") into metadata in case you want to use it once you reach LightRoom or ACR. Since the information is stored in meta data it can affect the DNG file. If you shoot only DNG with PC on, and review the image in camera, the jpeg that is created for the review will show the corrections. It'd be interesting if Leica would also include metadata about how the camera was moving while the shutter was open. This could enable automatic blur removal in post-processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 30, 2021 Share #72 Posted January 30, 2021 It is obvious that the plain M10 has at least a basic binary tilt sensor - to distinguish vertical pictures from horizontal pictures. Otherwise all pictures would come into Lightroom (or other such software) as horizontal pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 30, 2021 Share #73 Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, adan said: It is obvious that the plain M10 has at least a basic binary tilt sensor - to distinguish vertical pictures from horizontal pictures. Otherwise all pictures would come into Lightroom (or other such software) as horizontal pictures. Yes, but here's the sort of information that the new firmware puts into a DNG file: xmpDSA:PitchAngle="-9.2930002213" xmpDSA:RollAngle="10.6409997940" in addition to the four corner positions in the perspective Frame. Even if only 2 or 3 of those digits are accurate, that requires two separate fairly sensitive attitude sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 30, 2021 Share #74 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SrMi said: Unfortunately, PC does not work for M10M at the moment, unless you shoot JPG. I took a look at an M10-M file with PC enabled. The metadata looks correct (and the jpg is indeed corrected), so I think there is something that Adobe hasn't turned on yet. Edited January 30, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 30, 2021 Share #75 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Yes, but here's the sort of information that the new firmware puts into a DNG file: xmpDSA:PitchAngle="-9.2930002213" xmpDSA:RollAngle="10.6409997940" in addition to the four corner positions in the perspective Frame. Even if only 2 or 3 of those digits are accurate, that requires two separate fairly sensitive attitude sensors. Sure - that's what I'd expect from the "advanced" M10-R/P/M. (or a Typ 240, for that matter, if appropriate firmware was available). I was just commenting on the apparent beliefs by some that it is a black-and-white question - "has tilt sensor/has no tilt sensor." There are different varieties of tilt sensors, and M digitals have had at least a basic horizontal/vertical sensor going back to the M8. The cameras with visible level displays have a more sophisticated tilt sensor. Edited January 30, 2021 by adan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 31, 2021 Share #76 Posted January 31, 2021 Anyone have a working URL for the plain (or "classic") M10 firmware upgrade > 2.20.48.38 ? The link here leads to 404: https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10/Downloads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 31, 2021 Share #77 Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, adan said: Anyone have a working URL for the plain (or "classic") M10 firmware upgrade > 2.20.48.38 ? The link here leads to 404: https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10/Downloads https://en.leica-camera.com/content/download/199722/5321703/version/4/file/M10-2.20.48.38-Customer.FW 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Johnston Posted February 27, 2021 Share #78 Posted February 27, 2021 I just downloaded this file for my M10: M10-2.20.48.38-Customer.FW though haven't installed it in camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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