GFX100S vs SL2/X1D

[aksclix]

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23 minutes ago, plasticman said:

I think in the end it would be like a comparative table for someone looking for a husband or wife: how good are they at cooking; how good in bed; how attractive is the body; rated on the y-axis.

In the end there’s always something else that’s intangible, which we find beautiful or enjoyable in a person or a camera system. 

Then we’ll name that column “x-factor” and put a yes or no against it 😬 but again that’s totally subjective.. I the x-factor may differ even among 3 people who chose the exact same camera based on other factors 

 

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[tom0511]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb aksclix:

Then we’ll name that column “x-factor” and put a yes or no against it 😬 but again that’s totally subjective.. I the x-factor may differ even among 3 people who chose the exact same camera based on other factors 

 

Yes, very personal thing. And it even changes with time. Some time the SL2 was my most used camera, than I had a period with the x1dii, and at the moment the M is a lot of fun for me. And 2 years ago I was close to switch to Fuji.

[setuporg]

I find it interesting that more than a year after the first Leica IBIS camera was introduced, the SL2, we do not have any dramatic consensus here as to it being a game changer.  After some original test photos shot with IBIS in low light, crickets.  Amazing M10M and then M10R photos followed, now 35 M APO ones, and not much influence of IBIS.  The X1D and Leica S forums hum along without much clamoring for IBIS, either.  I really wonder how often you need it.  Probably as often as blazing fps or immediate AFc.  I.e., for most on these forums, once in a blue moon.

[LD_50]

19 minutes ago, setuporg said:

I find it interesting that more than a year after the first Leica IBIS camera was introduced, the SL2, we do not have any dramatic consensus here as to it being a game changer.  After some original test photos shot with IBIS in low light, crickets.  Amazing M10M and then M10R photos followed, now 35 M APO ones, and not much influence of IBIS.  The X1D and Leica S forums hum along without much clamoring for IBIS, either.  I really wonder how often you need it.  Probably as often as blazing fps or immediate AFc.  I.e., for most on these forums, once in a blue moon.

IBIS is pretty straightforward and objective in its benefit, the same as OIS. It allows you to shoot handheld at a lower shutter speed. It’s not debatable and is easily shown in test shots, hence the crickets.

Whether it’s a game changer is subjective. I think it should be in each of the cameras you mentioned except maybe a more analog version of the M. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by LD_50

[aksclix]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

I find it interesting that more than a year after the first Leica IBIS camera was introduced, the SL2, we do not have any dramatic consensus here as to it being a game changer.  After some original test photos shot with IBIS in low light, crickets.  Amazing M10M and then M10R photos followed, now 35 M APO ones, and not much influence of IBIS.  The X1D and Leica S forums hum along without much clamoring for IBIS, either.  I really wonder how often you need it.  Probably as often as blazing fps or immediate AFc.  I.e., for most on these forums, once in a blue moon.

IBIS is essential and used quite often.. nobody wants to discover blurry shots after getting home.. it lets you shoot at low ISO, low SS, reproduce silky water effect handheld! there are many use cases and many X1D users would love IBIS while some others don't but I don't think any one would complain if its there to me, its a game changer! 

Edited March 11, 2021 by aksclix

[aksclix]

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Edited March 11, 2021 by aksclix

[jrp]

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1 hour ago, setuporg said:

I find it interesting that more than a year after the first Leica IBIS camera was introduced, the SL2, we do not have any dramatic consensus here as to it being a game changer.  After some original test photos shot with IBIS in low light, crickets.  Amazing M10M and then M10R photos followed, now 35 M APO ones, and not much influence of IBIS.  The X1D and Leica S forums hum along without much clamoring for IBIS, either.  I really wonder how often you need it.  Probably as often as blazing fps or immediate AFc.  I.e., for most on these forums, once in a blue moon.

I find it indispensable, can shoot at ISO 100 most of the time.  

[Mr.Q]

Try shooting a 100 MP camera handheld without IBIS.  Not fun!

[setuporg]

Nobody doubts the usefulness of IBIS.  But somehow people were able to take photos before IBIS and still can with IBISless cameras.  Nobody said that IBISlessness of an M or X1D is now a deal breaker.

[setuporg]

1 hour ago, Mr.Q said:

Try shooting a 100 MP camera handheld without IBIS.  Not fun!

Another reason to stick with the X1D!

[Mr.Q]

32 minutes ago, setuporg said:

Another reason to stick with the X1D!

So far, from my experience, color is the reason to stick with X1D over GFX. And build quality.

[setuporg]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

So far, from my experience, color is the reason to stick with X1D over GFX. And build quality.

Yes, I love the build quality and the shape does not allow for an IBIS.  It's the only camera in the world that's basically a sensor with a handle.

[Mr.Q]

16 minutes ago, setuporg said:

Yes, I love the build quality and the shape does not allow for an IBIS.  It's the only camera in the world that's basically a sensor with a handle.

True, and the leaf shutter with zero shutter shock means you're getting 1-2 stops of stabilization built in 😀

 

[aksclix]

19 minutes ago, setuporg said:

Yes, I love the build quality and the shape does not allow for an IBIS.  It's the only camera in the world that's basically a sensor with a handle.

I am going to contradict my own statement made earlier.. ibis Is not really essential.. 😂 it’s a “great to have” function.. comes very handy when you need it.. x1d is the most beautifully designed body.. period! Tech could do with some good upgrades.. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by aksclix

[aksclix]

1 minute ago, Mr.Q said:

True, and the leaf shutter with zero shutter shock means you're getting 1-2 stops of stabilization built in 😀

 

Good point!! 

[frame-it]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

Another reason to stick with the X1D!

but you know...if the S4 has the new Sony 120+MP sensor with Leica color Science..you Will buy it

[Succisa75]

9 minutes ago, frame-it said:

but you know...if the S4 has the new Sony 120+MP sensor with Leica color Science..you Will buy it

Hmm that prob won’t happen 😂

It might be safe to say the S3 will prob be the last medium format camera from Leica unless they radically change things and develop new lenses. At the rate we are seeing the SL lenses come out that probably won’t happen. Sales are almost non existent from my sources and most companies are going to have a hard time competing with what Fujifilm is doing. 

[Jon Warwick]

5 hours ago, Mr.Q said:

True, and the leaf shutter with zero shutter shock means you're getting 1-2 stops of stabilization built in 😀

 

Yes, I rather liked the very gentle click on the X1D ....reminds me of using my Mamiya 7 over many many years, which was also vibration free and was a revelation after the clunk of the Hasselblad 501!

Of course, with the GFX100S there's also the option of a vibration free electronic shutter too.  I haven't figured out what the difference is between the GFX's "electronic shutter" and "electronic front curtain shutter" - is there a difference? 

And on the matter of "electronic" vs "mechanical" shutters generally .....are there situations where using electronic shutters can cause issues, or is the electronic shutter something one can happily use (at normal shutter speeds) at all times and is generally preferable to mechanical shutter due to less vibration? 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Jon Warwick

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8 minutes ago, Jon Warwick said:

Yes, I rather liked the very gentle click on the X1D ....reminds me of using my Mamiya 7 over many many years, which was also vibration free and was a revelation after the clunk of the Hasselblad 501!

Of course, with the GFX100S there's also the option of a vibration free electronic shutter too.  I haven't figured out what the difference is between the GFX's "electronic shutter" and "electronic front curtain shutter" - is there a difference? 

And on the matter of "electronic" vs "mechanical" shutters generally .....are there situations where using electronic shutters can cause issues, or is the electronic shutter something one can happily use (at normal shutter speeds) at all times and is generally preferable to mechanical shutter due to less vibration? 

i use only the EFCS on my GFX50R

https://photographylife.com/what-is-electronic-front-curtain-shutter

[jrp]

Quite a lot here about the ergonomics and functionality differences. It would be good to see the differences in the look of the pictures that some describe. Or is it just that you don’t need to push the raw files as much with the larger format, just as there is a difference between full frame and cropped images?