M10M gate coming?

[maitoparta]

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11 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Very strange that you can see well at close range and not so with long range.

Do you mean the "focus patch" ?

I always think that the focussing patch (at center of VF) on Leica M setting at around 2meters and not depending on the subject distance.

 

With the diopter correction lense I see the focus patch good, everything close range I see good. But distant things will become a bit blurry. So you can't really nail blurry distant thing with sharp focus patch. It does not work. With some straight line you can though, or some other clearly defined thing.

Without the diopter correction lense the focus patch is still pretty sharp, but close range objects are blurry, and again can't nail focus with sharp focus patch with blurry object. Need that well defined straight line.

For me the diopter lense is still an improvement because if I photograph people I want to be able to focus quick. When photographing something else than people I have time to focus. Though still not sure if I get a bit dizzy with the diopter lense because distant things are a bit blurry. Need to photograph more for hours at a time.

Years ago I was able to nail the focus close range straight of the face, so was very happy with the rangefinder system. But oh well, life is aging.

[a.noctilux]

Thanks for clarifications.

Yes we all are aging 😇.

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But this is very odd.

In your everyday life, do you need to wear glasses to see things/people "sharp" at 2m ?

[jaapv]

It is a telescopic system. Your eye needs to able to accommodate. 

[maitoparta]

1 hour ago, a.noctilux said:

Thanks for clarifications.

Yes we all are aging 😇.

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But this is very odd.

In your everyday life, do you need to wear glasses to see things/people "sharp" at 2m ?

Nope. I see people sharp in my opinion. When I got eyeglass prescription the lady said I don't really need glasses for mid to long range, but I can benefit of them. I tested the lense set she made and things were a bit more clear and contrasty. For reading I need glasses, can only barely figure text on books, the same goes with working with computer.

[maitoparta]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

It is a telescopic system. Your eye needs to able to accommodate. 

Ok, have plans to give the correction lense a good go, to see how eyes can adapt to it. Remembering how it took some time before my eyes adapted to computer screen viewing glasses.

[jplomley]

On 5/29/2021 at 10:23 AM, Jeff S said:

Yes, rented for a week and decided to purchase. Just recently got it, but haven’t had time to use it.   I’ll of course check for any similar problems once I do.  If so, I would fully expect an exchange from my dealer.... or they would cease to be my dealer.  In the meantime, I’m hanging on to my M9M.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Curious how your new M10M is performing? Artifact free?

 

[Jeff S]

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28 minutes ago, jplomley said:

Hi Jeff,

Curious how your new M10M is performing? Artifact free?

 

I’ll let you know... been up to my ears in family and other matters, so unfortunately photography has been relatively dormant. 😕

Jeff

[hdmesa]

Would someone with this issue share a DNG file of one of the offending images? I would like to try editing the image in Capture One using its Dehaze tool to see if the problem exists in both applications. I'm about to buy an M10M, and if the issue is limited to Lightroom, I'll be fine since I use Capture One.

I downloaded a bunch of DNG samples from DPR, and in Capture One with +100 Dehaze and +100 Shadows, I'm not seeing any issue.

Edited June 4, 2021 by hdmesa

[jplomley]

15 hours ago, hdmesa said:

Would someone with this issue share a DNG file of one of the offending images? I would like to try editing the image in Capture One using its Dehaze tool to see if the problem exists in both applications. I'm about to buy an M10M, and if the issue is limited to Lightroom, I'll be fine since I use Capture One.

I downloaded a bunch of DNG samples from DPR, and in Capture One with +100 Dehaze and +100 Shadows, I'm not seeing any issue.

I’ll try get a link to my problematic DNGs posted this weekend:-) I’m very curious if the use of PO helps

[jplomley]

https://shared-assets.adobe.com/link/ba32f172-e8a7-4ae5-50eb-bc070d672584

Link provided for both DNG and edited PSD files.

3264-line down right hand side when lifting shadows

2463-white line down right hand side

2892+2053-waffle pattern when straightening the image in lightroom manually or using Transform>Auto function

3178 + 2432-line on top centre when adjusting clarity and dehaze

Looking forward to whether or not Phase One processor solves the issue. I suspect this is a combination of a bad sensor and/or signal processing board

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by jplomley

[adan]

Specific to the problem of the waffle patterns, can you tell me what you already know about "moire patterns" in digital images, so that I don't waste your time or mine repeating things.

But in the meantime, here is the wikipedia article on the phenomenon, and one illustration from that article.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moiré_pattern

Here's an interesting thing - I downloaded your old-man-smoking (2892) image, and I find a weird thing you've done to the .DNG that I can't exactly replicate in my (basic) Adobe Camera Raw (the raw-import module for full PhotoShop.

The image is straightened and distortion-corrected - without using the tools/settings in ACR

(I.E. I can't remove those modifications except by reverting completely to Camera Raw defaults, as though the image had never been processed)

Nevertheless by using Camera Raw's tools instead, I do not get the same waffle pattern in, for example, the boards to the right of the man's hips.

It is something that is not there in the rawest-of-raw .DNG - only in your processed version. So it is an LR processing artifact, not something the sensor creates.

I got an appointment hanign over me, but as soon as I get back I'll show a comparison.

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by adan

[Gobert]

Now it is getting really interesting. Would LR cause it? Or LR in combination with the OS?

[jplomley]

37 minutes ago, Gobert said:

Now it is getting really interesting. Would LR cause it? Or LR in combination with the OS?

Well, LR is the RAW processor recommended by Leica, so one would assume it has been optimized for something as simple as Auto transform to straighten and correct perspective distortion. I certainly see no artifacts when I use that same function on my M10-R or SL2. 

[Gobert]

You might assume, but at the same time the monochrom is a strange duck in the world of digital photography. Although I did not have any of the problems yet as described in this topic.

[jplomley]

47 minutes ago, adan said:

Specific to the problem of the waffle patterns, can you tell me what you already know about "moire patterns" in digital images, so that I don't waste your time or mine repeating things.

But in the meantime, here is the wikipedia article on the phenomenon, and one illustration from that article.

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moiré_pattern

Here's an interesting thing - I downloaded your old-man-smoking (2892) image, and I find a weird thing you've done to the .DNG that I can't exactly replicate in my (basic) Adobe Camera Raw (the raw-import module for full PhotoShop.

The image is straightened and distortion-corrected - without using the tools/settings in ACR

(I.E. I can't remove those modifications except by reverting completely to Camera Raw defaults, as though the image had never been processed)

Nevertheless by using Camera Raw's tools instead, I do not get the same waffle pattern in, for example, the boards to the right of the man's hips.

It is something that is not there in the rawest-of-raw .DNG - only in your processed version. So it is an LR processing artifact, not something the sensor creates.

I got an appointment hanign over me, but as soon as I get back I'll show a comparison.

 

I only observe the waffle pattern when correcting an image as previously described. One way around the pattern appearing is to apply a mask when sharpening (25-50%), or use the despeckle tool in Photoshop, which is effective when the pattern appears in a smooth sky, but not on fabrics. Very much looking forward to your observations Adan. Cheers for tackling.  

[jplomley]

1 minute ago, Gobert said:

You might assume, but at the same time the monochrom is a strange duck in the world of digital photography. Although I did not have any of the problems yet as described in this topic.

Nor did I see them on the first M10M body I had for evaluation (but did not take because the RF was a tad off when paired to my 35 Lux, and I really wanted the Wetzlar edition (yeah, I know, makes no difference to anything, but the inscription reminded me of my old M4-P from days gone past).

[Gobert]

I have the Wetzlar as well.

[jaapv]

On 6/1/2021 at 12:11 PM, maitoparta said:

But oh well, life is aging.

Indeed and the distance over which your eye can accommodate decreases with age (even more - close to zero- if you have lens implants for cataract), which causes this problem.

[Gobert]

12 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Indeed and the distance over which your eye can accommodate decreases with age (even more - close to zero- if you have lens implants for cataract), which causes this problem.

Not for me. I’m getting younger every day. My wife will confirm this.

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[jaapv]

4 minutes ago, Gobert said:

My wife will confirm this

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