MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Share #1  Posted December 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just received my brand new APO-Summicron-M 75mm from New Jersey and there are visible cracks on the inner ring. This can't possibly be normal, is it? The date on the box reads 2019/08/05, but that inner ring looks worn out. Should I be concerned?  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316572-brand-new-apo-75mm-with-visible-cracks/?do=findComment&comment=4109227'>More sharing options...
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Sandokan Posted December 31, 2020 Share #2  Posted December 31, 2020 Mine is 14 years old and doesnt have cracks. Send it back is my advice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 31, 2020 Share #3 Â Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Not just the cracks - the whole texture of that ring looks wrong. Looks rubbery, but should be felt or metal? (been a while since I stared at the inside of a 75 ASMA). I'm a little confused by your description of getting "a brand-new lens from New Jersey." Is that Leica USA in New Jersey? Are they selling new gear direct to the public? Edited December 31, 2020 by adan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #4  Posted December 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, adan said: Not just the cracks - the whole texture of that ring looks wrong. Looks rubbery, but should be felt or metal? (been a while since I stared at the inside of a 75 ASMA). I'm a little confused by your description of getting "a brand-new lens from New Jersey." Is that Leica USA in New Jersey? Are they selling new gear direct to the public? I don't know if it's rubber, but it looks like it's disintegrating. If I touch it just slightly, it leaves black residue/particles on my finger. It's definitely not felt. I bought the lens brand new from Leica USA online store. The invoice in the box shows it was shipped from Allendale, NJ 07401.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted December 31, 2020 Share #5 Â Posted December 31, 2020 I would return it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel C.1975 Posted December 31, 2020 Share #6  Posted December 31, 2020 If this one is brand new my name is Albert Einstein. Maybe a Long time Sales window lens with years of UV-light exposure?  Doesn‘t matter, you can only send it back.  Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 31, 2020 Share #7 Â Posted December 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am a little surprised you asked the question. Your first questions should be addressed to the vendor. Do let us know the official response. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #8  Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, wda said: I am a little surprised you asked the question. Your first questions should be addressed to the vendor. Do let us know the official response. Initially, I was excited to finally receive the lens, then I got disappointed as I noticed the issues. I just couldn't believe it. The inner and outer boxes look clean and brand new. The outer box was sealed with two stickers, which is what I'm used to seeing from my other brand new lens I've bought in the past. The lens itself, however, looks used, which doesn't make sense. I've filed for a return/exchange; we'll see what happens. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted December 31, 2020 Share #9 Â Posted December 31, 2020 Do the serial numbers match on box and lens? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 31, 2020 Share #10  Posted December 31, 2020 This is simply unacceptable. I would not accept a repair. Ask for a replacement or a refund. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 31, 2020 Share #11 Â Posted December 31, 2020 When does the serial number say the lens was made? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS Posted December 31, 2020 Share #12  Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) That is dry-rot. Those crumbs will be all over your sensor. It looks like someone replaced the material with old rubber sheets bought in the 1960s from a craft store. They need to take this lens back and give a full refund. Report back on the response. The serial number should allow you to determine the manufacturing date. Hard to believe Leica could make and inspect one with this problem. This could also be a batch problem, like some glue or material that acts badly. This has happened- I've seen board manufacturers change a process and have it delaminate after months of use. Edited December 31, 2020 by BrianS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted December 31, 2020 Share #13  Posted December 31, 2020 it looks brand new condition in ebay standard. someone listed a lens used but indicate it's "better than new" - I found it really intriguing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #14  Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, farnz said: When does the serial number say the lens was made? Pete. The date on the boxes and in the documents says 2019/08/05  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316572-brand-new-apo-75mm-with-visible-cracks/?do=findComment&comment=4109543'>More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #15  Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Kwesi said: Do the serial numbers match on box and lens? Yes, they do. I've posted new pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 31, 2020 Share #16  Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, MrFriendly said: The date on the boxes and in the documents says 2019/08/05 The serial number list I have (Puts) runs out in 1997, which is little help, and the online one I found runs out in 2015 with 4 400 001.  4 758 nnn looks to be in the right range for a recently-produced lens (but a source of confirmation would settle it) so the age of the lens shouldn't be the cause of the perishing/deterioration that your lens has.  At least that's one variable out of the way so I'd start wondering about the conditions that the lens has been stored in, particularly temperature and humidity. Bottom line, a brand new 75 APO-Summicron asph lens lens should not look like this and I think you have strong grounds for returning it for a new one or a full refund. Good luck! Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #17  Posted December 31, 2020 One of the first things I noticed with the 75 was that it had plenty dust particles on the front element, even more on the rear element, and some dust particles on the inside of the lens. My other Leica lenses in the past were always in absolutely pristine condition. Now, dust on a lens doesn't bother me, but does this mean the lens was used at some point? Maybe a demo lens? Would a Leica vendor try to pass off a used lens as new? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benqui Posted December 31, 2020 Share #18 Â Posted December 31, 2020 Looks awful! Give it back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFriendly Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share #19  Posted December 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, farnz said: At least that's one variable out of the way so I'd start wondering about the conditions that the lens has been stored in, particularly temperature and humidity. If storage issue, why are the boxes in excellent condition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 31, 2020 Share #20  Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, MrFriendly said: If storage issue, why are the boxes in excellent condition? High humidity might show up in the cardboard but not high, dry heat. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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