WATE produces very soft photos

[pedaes]

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5 minutes ago, Leicabuff said:

What is the reason for overexposure?

You are not helping yourself with your reaction - accept your issue is not credible as presented.

The only role of the lens in correct exposure is the aperture. Do the blades move consistently when you move the aperture ring?  Does the aperture adjust (show a difference) between the focal lengths on a given setting?

Next time you buy a lens, don't wait six years to try it.

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It becomes quite apparent that you do not know much about using a camera. Well, it's not too late to start learning it, and owning a beautiful set with a digital Leica and a few gorgeous lenses is a nice incentive.

If you bought your camera at a dealer's, ask them if they can recommend anyone who can introduce you into the basics of photography (not necessarily related to Leica). Some people prefer books, and there is a vast market.

It just happens that some lenses become mis-adjusted. It happened to me three times, and I do not bang my gear about. Therefore, I do not have a digital M any more. Sending those lenses in became just too much of a bother.

I agree that members of the forum should not try and ridicule you for not knowing how to use a camera. Using a camera is an acquired skill, and everyone here did not know how to do that in the beginning.

Edited December 15, 2020 by pop
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[Leicabuff]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb pedaes:

You are not helping yourself with your reaction - accept your issue is not credible as presented.

The only role of the lens in correct exposure is the aperture. Do the blades move consistently when you move the aperture ring?  Does the aperture adjust (show a difference) between the focal lengths on a given setting?

Next time you buy a lens, don't wait six years to try it.

you don't know why I waited 6 years, so keep your comment for yourself. It doesn't help. I was  more than half of the time in hospital or treatment.

[pedaes]

Just now, Leicabuff said:

more than half

I am out. Best of luck with it.

[Leicabuff]

vor 1 Minute schrieb pop:

It becomes quite apparent that you do not know much about using a camera. Well, it's not too late to start learning it, and owning a beautiful set with a digital Leica and a few gorgeous lenses is a nice incentive.

If you bought your camera at a dealer's, ask them if they can recommend anyone who can introduce you into the basics of photography (not necessarily related to Leica). Some people prefer books, and there is a vast market.

It just happens that some lenses become mis-adjusted. It happened to me three times, and I do not bang my gear about. Therefore, I do not have a digital M any more. Sending those lenses in became just too much of a bother.

I agree that members of the forum should not try and ridicule you for not knowing how to use a camera. Using a camera is an acquired skill, and everyone here did not know how to do that in the beginning.

Just for your information. I can use this camera with 3 other lenses. So your comment on learning is dumb. Just look at the photos I have posted on this forum. There were more downloaded than liked.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I won't comment on your lens as cropped jpegs compressed to a web forum aren't really something we can judge on. To test we really need tripod mounted DNGs using live view and focused with the magnification to eliminate shake, movement and rangefinder issues. As for the WATE.

1. The WATE is a sharp lens. Very good in the centre wide open with some fall off in the corners. It moves to excellent at F8 although the corners, while very good, don't quite catch up with the centre. But it will be as good as DSLR lenses of the same era. Actually better than most. But not up to some of the newer mirrorless glass (SL16-35 for example).

2. It's not as sharp as the 90AA, ever. At f8 in the centre it's close but the 90AA is always better and noticeably wide open.

3. It's a true zoom. It can be used between the click stops on a camera with live view. It also can focus closer than 0.7 meters so beyond the rangefinder.

4. I think the WATE is excellent on the M10 but not quite up to the extra demands of the M10R. It's still very good but other more modern lenses open a noticeable lead here.

You may have a faulty lens. But it's as likely that it's out of calibration. Both should be checked after proper testing. If you do send it in send it with a USB stick with your tests.

Gordon

Edited December 15, 2020 by FlashGordonPhotography

[harryzet]

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vor 17 Stunden schrieb Leicabuff:

Hi,

 

I bought a WATE new from Leica store 6 years ago. I tested it for the first time a few months ago and it is the most miserable soft lens I have ever used. I put it on tripod and used remote cable but it makes me really sad. Is there a trick to shoot with this lens or I have a lemon?

 

I have attached a few photos. Also for comparison I have attached a photo with 90 Cron F2. It is a world of difference.

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its not that you don´t like photography. but it seems photography doesn´t like you

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vor 2 Minuten schrieb Leicabuff:

So your comment on learning is dumb.

I replied with the best intention. Your posting a clearly overexposed photograph and your questions about light metering suggest that I'm right. You don't have to take my advice, though.

I certainly hope that your health has recovered by now. Good health to you.

[Leicabuff]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

I won't comment on your lens as cropped jpegs compressed to a web forum aren't really something we can judge on. To test we really need tripod mounted DNGs using live view and focused with the magnification to eliminate shake, movement and rangefinder issues. As for the WATE.

1. The WATE is a sharp lens. Very good in the centre wide open with some fall off in the corners. It moves to excellent at F8 although the corners, while very good, don't quite catch up with the centre. But it will be as good as DSLR lenses of the same era. Actually better than most. But not up to some of the newer mirrorless glass (SL16-35 for example).

2. It's not as sharp as the 90AA, ever. At f8 in the centre it's close but the 90AA is always better and noticeably wide open.

3. It's a true zoom. It can be used between the click stops on a camera with live view. It also can focus closer than 0.7 meters so beyond the rangefinder.

You may have a faulty lens. But it's as likely that it's out of calibration. Both should be checked after proper testing. If you do send it in send it with a USB stick with your tests.

Gordon

Thanks for your comment.

I posted the cropped photos just to show what camera and what setting is used. The lens clearly front focuses. The aperture is closing and opening when turn the wheel.

I will send it in.

I was hoping to get some hints how to use the lens, not reading ridicules.

[Leicabuff]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb harryzet:

its not that you don´t like photography. but it seems photography doesn´t like you

I know why you write this comment. Your dumb comments will expel me from forum.

But you know how hard is to come back with a different user name?

[Leicabuff]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Leicabuff:

Thanks for your comment.

I posted the cropped photos just to show what camera and what setting is used. The lens clearly front focuses. The aperture is closing and opening when I turn the wheel.

I will send it in.

I was hoping to get some hints how to use the lens, not reading ridicules.

 

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2 hours ago, Leicabuff said:

I use EVF. When using EVF it doesn't show the issue.

Your lens and/or rangefinder could well need some CLA then. 

[Sandokan]

I deleted my previous comment. 

My comment was only repeating previous advice - if Mr Leicabuff takes or ignores the advice, it is upto him. 

But he should control the exposure. 

He should compare like for like with the target image covering the same number of pixels which means stepping further back with the 90mm lens. 

And we should be kinder - maybe English is not his first language and the intended humour was not understood. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Sandokan

[Leicabuff]

vor einer Stunde schrieb lct:

Your lens and/or rangefinder could well need some CLA then. 

Yes, I think that is the solution for the lens. The rangefinder should be fine because there is no issue with 3 other lenses.

vor 52 Minuten schrieb Sandokan:

I deleted my previous comment. 

My comment was only repeating previous advice - if Mr Leicabuff takes or ignores the advice, it is upto him. 

But he should control the exposure. 

He should compare like for like with the target image covering the same number of pixels which means stepping further back with the 90mm lens. 

And we should be kinder - maybe English is not his first language and the intended humour was not understood. 

Sorry Mr Sandokan. It has nothing to do with exposure. I went on manual lowered the exposure but the photos are soft overall and the lens front focusing.

It has nothing to do with English as first language or not. Comments like "photography doesn't like you" is dumb, at best. "Learn using a camera" is even dumber. "Well, it's not too late to start learning it, and owning a beautiful set with a digital Leica and a few gorgeous lenses is a nice incentive." is jealous poop.

I have had four different camera systems in my life. Look at the photos I loaded a few years ago. Many of foolish commentators can't get tack sharp photos of dancers with 150 BPM. That I have a lens, which doesn't function as it should doesn't give anyone the right to bully.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Leicabuff

[MarkP]

4 hours ago, Leicabuff said:

 

That is a dumb comment. You don't make fun of people who are struggling with something. It is not funny!

My comment was not referring to your problem with the lens which would concern me too.
It related to your reply to Adan's very funny post about the lens having a use-by-date as you had not used the it since you bought it years before. 
It was clearly a light-hearted comment, using exactly your words back to you, and should have been interpreted as such. 
In 8,892 posts in this Forum I have NEVER made fun of someone!
 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2020 by MarkP

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Does anyone else see the irony in the name of this lens given the time it took to use it?

@Leicabuff hopefully my little attempt at humor didn't offend. Good to hear that you're healthy and getting back to photography.  

[jaeger]

I slept with my ex-wife last night who I divorced 6 years ago, oh boy it's getting funnier everyday.  hmmm... ok wat WATE?

Edited December 16, 2020 by jaeger
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[Gobert]

34 minutes ago, jaeger said:

I slept with my ex-wife last night who I divorced 6 years ago, oh boy it's getting funnier everyday.  hmmm... ok wat WATE?

My present wife doesn’t allow me to sleep with either of my past 5 or 6 previous wifes. Sorry, I forgot about the number. I have to count my Leica lenses. Same counting problem as with my previous wifes.

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20 hours ago, MarkP said:

My comment was not referring to your problem with the lens which would concern me too.
It related to your reply to Adan's very funny post about the lens having a use-by-date as you had not used the it since you bought it years before. 
It was clearly a light-hearted comment, using exactly your words back to you, and should have been interpreted as such. 
In 8,892 posts in this Forum I have NEVER made fun of someone!
 

 

 

You can make fun of me.

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Let’s see if I can do this without sounding like I am attacking the OP.

To test that lens on subjects that close to see if the lens is sharp is selling it short. The WATE is not really designed for shooting subjects a few inches or feet away. It is meant, in my opinion, to be used on photos like landscape or architecture to capture a subject like a wide angle view of a building or buildings to get them all in the frame. Same for landscape. It was also a lens designed, in my opinion, to be smooth and clean and not razor sharp. I bought mine with the express use of architecture and that’s what I use it for. It produces an image that I like. I have other lenses that are sharper.

Take the lens outdoors and shoot a house or building to get the whole subject in the frame and I think you’ll like what you see. The incessant  “testing” on table top for sharpness or front/back focus really doesn’t do it justice. Try that bench test at 10 feet and you’ll see what I mean.