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Soo... I bit the bullet and found a near mint second hand M10 body and am selling the Sony gear. I wish I'd gone M digital before, its the best camera I've ever used and apart from a few missed s

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You need more gear😀. Honestly I to have alot of gear also, but my photography moods change, admittedly I’ve loved the mood that takes me to the Leica for a while now, but I wouldnt sell my Sony, Olymp

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IMO: M6 M10 keep your 35, 75 and buy a 50. Done. Get rid of the rest. I didn't miss AF for my kids.

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4 hours ago, LondonL said:

Very helpful, thanks 🙄

Did you need help when you were making the decision to buy all that stuff?

You’ve created an imaginary dilemma for yourself that’s easily solved.

Why not spend some time getting to grips with your manual focus cameras and learn how to photograph your kids without having to rely on af? 
 

If you can’t do it, then your options will be obvious

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Ouroboros said:

Did you need help when you were making the decision to buy all that stuff?

You’ve created an imaginary dilemma for yourself that’s easily solved.

Why not spend some time getting to grips with your manual focus cameras and learn how to photograph your kids without having to rely on af? 
 

If you can’t do it, then your options will be obvious

Well done, we got there on the third attempt with some useful advice. 

 

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Ok, so a bit more thinking about this, and I’m keen to explore the option of selling the Sony kit and the Q-P, and upgrade to the Q2. Yes, I wouldn’t have a pure 85mm option, but plenty of scope for cropping with the Q2 and I’m much more of a fan of the environmental portrait anyway. I’d have the 75mm for the M6.

Then I have the pure M film experience with the M6, which I’m loving even more very roll I put through the camera. 

Not sure I need the digital M when a Q2 and M6 as my main kit would be pretty damn good 

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I would sell off the Ricoh, Canon, Leica Q and M6 for an M10 Variant of your choosing. This way you have a smallish versatile AF workhorse when needed and a top notch Digital M for when you want to focus on your personal work.

 

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2 hours ago, LondonL said:

Ok, so a bit more thinking about this, and I’m keen to explore the option of selling the Sony kit and the Q-P, and upgrade to the Q2. Yes, I wouldn’t have a pure 85mm option, but plenty of scope for cropping with the Q2 and I’m much more of a fan of the environmental portrait anyway. I’d have the 75mm for the M6.

Then I have the pure M film experience with the M6, which I’m loving even more very roll I put through the camera. 

Not sure I need the digital M when a Q2 and M6 as my main kit would be pretty damn good 

Q2 and M6 is a pretty good choice - one digital, one film.  Having multiple options doesn't necessarily produce better photos.  There is always the tendency to think should I have used a different camera or a different lens?  Would it look better with this lens or that camera?  Removing multiple choice allows you to concentrate on the scene.  Your feet become the focal length, within reason of course!

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When I was using an M6 for fast moving children, the zone focus really didn’t work indoors as my ISO was limited to 400. Now with the M10 you can shoot the kids at 6400 which allows zone focus and adequate shutter speed to stop movement.  If you can zone focus your M6 outside, with an M10 you can do it indoors.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/tips-and-solutions/f8-and-be-there-a-beginner’s-guide-to-zone-focusing
 

The decision of the M10 vs M10R merely depends on can you afford the new R and are you willing to wait for it to be in stock.

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On 12/12/2020 at 2:33 PM, T25UFO said:

Q2 and M6 is a pretty good choice - one digital, one film.  Having multiple options doesn't necessarily produce better photos.  There is always the tendency to think should I have used a different camera or a different lens?  Would it look better with this lens or that camera?  Removing multiple choice allows you to concentrate on the scene.  Your feet become the focal length, within reason of course!

The more I think about it the more I like the Q2 and M6 combination, especially after seeing examples of images using the Q2 crop mode. I love the Q-P and the Q2 seems an improvement on every front.

shame there is nowhere in the UK to rent an M10. Before making a decision it would be nice to test run the digital M for a week.

Nice problem to have :)

 

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45 minutes ago, LondonL said:

The more I think about it the more I like the Q2 and M6 combination, especially after seeing examples of images using the Q2 crop mode. I love the Q-P and the Q2 seems an improvement on every front.

shame there is nowhere in the UK to rent an M10. Before making a decision it would be nice to test run the digital M for a week.

Nice problem to have :)

 

If you know the M6, you don't have to test drive the M10 - it handles pretty much the same without having to wind on after every shot.  Or just go for the M10-D if you want a plain back and a wind on lever.  A lot of people migrate to the Q because they have trouble focussing a rangefinder, but if you're fine with the rangefinder (I assume you are) then stay with the M.

Too much is made of the Q2 crop mode.  It's just a little button that allows you to see the effect of frame lines.  I have a Q2, but hardly ever use the crop feature.  I still crop photos where necessary, but always in post.  Why limit yourself to 35 or 50 or 75 when Lightroom allows you to choose the exact frame you want?  The ability to crop and still have a decent photo doesn't depend on a little button - it's the resolution that allows you to crop.

You can get some pretty good cropped photos using an M10-R and that doesn't have a little button on the back!  But the Q2 is a brilliant camera and, as I said in post 29, it makes a fine combination with an M6.  It would probably be my choice until the bank balance was refreshed, and then I'd add an M10-M.  

That's the problem with Leica: you think, that's it, I'm done, and then you find another itch to scratch . . .

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Just to further illustrate the point, here is a crop of an already cropped photo - I posted the first crop in the Q2 photo forum.  Probably wouldn't immediately guess it was taken with a 28mm lens.  A quick grab shot, which I wouldn't have been able to focus so quickly before my subject bellowed NO PHOTOS ALLOWED.  Click on the photo to zoom in further.

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2 hours ago, T25UFO said:

 That's the problem with Leica: you think, that's it, I'm done, and then you find another itch to scratch . . .

Isn’t this just the truth..! I thought I’d be happy with just the Q-P, and I was for a while, then the M6 was purchased which open up a whole new world. Feels the natural progression is the go digital M.

I suppose I could still keep the Q-P, ditch the Sony gear and add the M10 making it a M6, M10 & Q-P combination.

A few nice options to consider 

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2 hours ago, LondonL said:

Isn’t this just the truth..! I thought I’d be happy with just the Q-P, and I was for a while, then the M6 was purchased which open up a whole new world. Feels the natural progression is the go digital M.

I suppose I could still keep the Q-P, ditch the Sony gear and add the M10 making it a M6, M10 & Q-P combination.

A few nice options to consider 

just playing devil's advocate - why the M6?

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What I miss so far in this thread is, especially around Christmas and more so Covid-Christmas, is to spoil yourself with a camera that is lovely to have and carry. So that would be an M7, helps with moving children too because the exposures are always right and need no extra time. Now that you’re bitten by the film bug, the Q2 or M10 is a lot of money for a step sideways. Film is your future. And you need two film M bodies: color and B&W. I can severely recommend the ADOX Scala 160 which is available again, developed in Silvermax. An absolute new image style compared to traditional values of Kodak and Ilford. 

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12 hours ago, otto.f said:

What I miss so far in this thread is, especially around Christmas and more so Covid-Christmas, is to spoil yourself with a camera that is lovely to have and carry. So that would be an M7, helps with moving children too because the exposures are always right and need no extra time. Now that you’re bitten by the film bug, the Q2 or M10 is a lot of money for a step sideways. Film is your future. And you need two film M bodies: color and B&W. I can severely recommend the ADOX Scala 160 which is available again, developed in Silvermax. An absolute new image style compared to traditional values of Kodak and Ilford. 

Another film camera, no, but another lens... why not

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