28 or 35 Summicron ASPH

[Andrea Bianchi]

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Despite the different Field of View, what do you suggest between a 28 and a 35 Summicron ASPH? Probably, in a year or two I'll buy both but right now I can afford just one of them.

 

I love the easy of use of the 28, especially with scale focusing but the 35 gives you a slightly better transition and bokeh..

 

It will be used with a 50 Summilux; I don't care too much about the slight difference between 35 and 50, I love both focal length.

 

[Tom Johnston]

I am fortunate to have both and really enjoy both lenses. 28 is one of my favorite focal lengths. Having said that, when I got my M10 earlier this year, I'm finding the 35 is pretty much dedicated to the M10- it just has a feel about it, both physically and how it renders, that just seems so natural. I have the 28 on my "old" M9.

Just yesterday I was processing two images of the same view from each combination, though from different times of day. I haven't posted them yet as I haven't figured out where best they fit.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Tom Johnston

[a.noctilux]

1 hour ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

... I can afford just one of them.

 

I love the easy of use of the 28, especially with scale focusing but the 35 gives you a slightly better transition and bokeh..

 

...

 

Hello Andrea,

I have just two suggestions, but not trying to help in your choice (as for that I'd flip a dice 🙃 or take the one that is available) :

- firstly a 28mm would become a nice combo with your 50mm while waiting, take in account that the 2/28 hide more in the frame with RF, sometimes I do use "28" external finder

- second suggestion, please don't use Summicron-M lenses with scale focussing, you would see that even with 28mm RF focussing is much better to select "in-focus-zone"

as usual, you are the master to use or not the scale focus or whatever you want to try

 

anyway, have fun with your choice,

Arnaud

[Ouroboros]

57 minutes ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

....but the 35 gives you a slightly better transition and bokeh..

 

I have both the 28 summicron asph (v1) and current 35mm summicron asph. 

• One is 28mm f2 the other is 35mm f2. 
• One is slightly more compact than the other.
• One weighs slightly more than the other
• One takes 39mm filters, the other takes 46mm filters

As far as your opinion on the 35mm 'transition and bokeh' goes, I have prints on the wall made with both lenses and no one has ever commented on the transition and bokeh of any of the images.

Don't torment yourself.  Buy a lens and use it. 

[Andrea Bianchi]

Can anyone of you please share a picture, possibly at f2 and at close distance, so I can see the difference?

[Andrea Bianchi]

8 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Hello Andrea,

I have just two suggestions, but not trying to help in your choice (as for that I'd flip a dice 🙃 or take the one that is available) :

- firstly a 28mm would become a nice combo with your 50mm while waiting, take in account that the 2/28 hide more in the frame with RF, sometimes I do use "28" external finder

- second suggestion, please don't use Summicron-M lenses with scale focussing, you would see that even with 28mm RF focussing is much better to select "in-focus-zone"

as usual, you are the master to use or not the scale focus or whatever you want to try

 

anyway, have fun with your choice,

Arnaud

Yeah I know, I had the old 28 Elmarit iv and it shared the same design and lens hood, but I guess that if I was able to use the Elmarit, the Summicron will be the same.

 

What do you mean by not use Scale Focus?

[a.noctilux]

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16 minutes ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

Yeah I know, I had the old 28 Elmarit iv and it shared the same design and lens hood, but I guess that if I was able to use the Elmarit, the Summicron will be the same.

 

What do you mean by not use Scale Focus?

Using scale focus on Leica M with Summicron/Summilux/Noctilux lenses is self-explanation after using them a while.

The difference is "so-so" lenses (scale focus would not hurt, I do that with my Summaron-M 5.6/28 * which I purchased for that having other 28mm lenses) 

and "highly corrected" when Leica made RF as precise as possible.

 

* this Summaron-M is not so-so lens, but very capable lens indeed

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Monochrom with Summicron-M 28mm at f/2, RF focus on the statue and on the text to be certain to have them in focus

 

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Edited September 10, 2020 by a.noctilux

[lct]

2 hours ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

I love the easy of use of the 28, especially with scale focusing but the 35 gives you a slightly better transition and bokeh.

At which apertures did you get this feeling if i may ask? Just asking as those lenses have different focal lenghts, hence different DoFs so different OoF renderings but you know this already. To get the same DoF as a 28/2 at full aperture you would need to set your 35/2 to f/2.8 more or less and then you will see than the latter's bokeh is not the smoothest possibly. I say possibly because it is a subjective matter but you see what i mean i guess.

[Andrea Bianchi]

36 minutes ago, lct said:

At which apertures did you get this feeling if i may ask? Just asking as those lenses have different focal lenghts, hence different DoFs so different OoF renderings but you know this already. To get the same DoF as a 28/2 at full aperture you would need to set your 35/2 to f/2.8 more or less and then you will see than the latter's bokeh is not the smoothest possibly. I say possibly because it is a subjective matter but you see what i mean i guess.

Never said that they have the same DoF, instead what I meant was that the 35 has a slightly better bokeh.

[lct]

2 hours ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

Never said that they have the same DoF, instead what I meant was that the 35 has a slightly better bokeh.

Bokeh depends on DoF. You cannot have the same at f/2 and f/2.8, hence my question.
Edit: Just to expand a bit. If one compares bokeh i.e. OoF rendering at f/2 on two different focal lenghts it boils down to comparing two different DoFs. At f/2, a 35mm lens has less DoF than a 28mm lens at the same aperture hence more OoF or blurred areas. May then look nicer to people preferring blur but it is an apple vs orange beauty contest so to speak in which, say, a 90/2 lens with even less DoF, hence more blur, would always be the winner.

Edited September 10, 2020 by lct

[jdlaing]

Out of focus depends on depth of field. Bokeh depends on the lens.

[MarkP]

It’s personal as to which FL you’re most likely to use.

Personally I find  50 and 28 to be a most  versatile combination that covers 90% of my day-to-day needs (although if I’m taking just one lens for general use it may we’ll be a 35).   The 50 Summilux and 28 Summicron also image/render very sympathetically.

[Andrea Bianchi]

Any reasonable difference between 28 Cron Asph v1 and v2 rather than the Hood? (Both coded)

 

What about Leica 12466 Hood, is it a nice fit? price?

Edited September 11, 2020 by Andrea Bianchi

[MarkP]

Not much if you get a good v1. The edges are better on digital sensors but only a small benefit. Otherwise I could not pick any difference. 

I tested four v2s till I finally found one that was better than my v1. The first three rendered identically to my v1 with the corners on my v1 (the store agreed with me). 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by MarkP

[lct]

7 hours ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

What about Leica 12466 Hood, is it a nice fit? price?

Nice fit, difficult to find and pricey accordingly. If you're interested in a 28/2 v1 lens, you may wish to try the less expensive hood for 35/1.4 asph pre-FLE instead. 

[JimmyCheng]

Personally, I think I will go for the 35 lux and the 28 cron, as the 35 lux is of reasonable size and weight while giving you a more cinematic look when you need it. while the 28 cron is about the same size (which means great handling and balance) and gives you a wider angle of view when you need it. F2 is also enough for indoors. 

[Andrea Bianchi]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Nice fit, difficult to find and pricey accordingly. If you're interested in a 28/2 v1 lens, you may wish to try the less expensive hood for 35/1.4 asph pre-FLE instead. 

I've seen a couple of them.. prices are crazy..

[lct]

38 minutes ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

I've seen a couple of them.. prices are crazy..

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[CosmoM3]

10 hours ago, Andrea Bianchi said:

Any reasonable difference between 28 Cron Asph v1 and v2 rather than the Hood? (Both coded)

 

What about Leica 12466 Hood, is it a nice fit? price?

If you can afford the V2...get that over the V1. The improvements are noticeable and the lens is less intrusive with its lens hood (metal screw on) vs. the older and obnoxious place lens hood.

I'm currently selling my V2 for a good price if you're interested as I'm looking to downsize my gear.

Edited September 11, 2020 by CosmoM3

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[Andrea Bianchi]

30 minutes ago, CosmoM3 said:

If you can afford the V2...get that over the V1. The improvements are noticeable and the lens is less intrusive with its lens hood (metal screw on) vs. the older and obnoxious place lens hood.

I'm currently selling my V2 for a good price if you're interested as I'm looking to downsize my gear.

You can Pm me.