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On 10/21/2020 at 10:21 PM, jberry said:

Hey Bud James! When you did the M10 to M10-P conversion, did Leica Germany also change out the back screen to be a touch screen?

It was done in late July last year. 

Yes, they replaced the screen, silent shutter and the top plate. It is an M10-P with exception of the hot shoe still has the "M-10" engraved. This part was not changed. Meta data now shows the camera model as "M10-R". The serial number didn’t change either.

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Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

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I have no regrets trading in my M10 for a M10R.

The M10R sensor has an improved Dynamic Range other than just higher in resolution. 
Especially in Landscape Photography application where there are usually shadow and highlight within the frame, the M10R manages highlight blowouts much less and allows more highlight recovery in post processing.

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On 10/5/2020 at 2:53 PM, Steven said:

quick update though, although I don't want to hijack the thread. 

I just tried my 35mm Lux ASPH on my brand new a7siii with the metabones M to E adapter. A few observations: 

-The photos seemed excellent to me, even with the 12mp sensor. 

-The focusing experience was excellent as well, as the focus assistant of the a7siii is meant to act like a cine camera. In fact, the focus peaking was very reliable with my lux. 

-I tried to take a video with the lux mounted on the a7siii and OH MY GOD. It was an orgasm. The image I got out of it is like nothing ive seen before from a mirrorless. It looked to my eyes like if I was shooting a Hollywood movie with an ARRI

I definitely need to test this out some more...

PS. This won't stop me from upgrading to the m10r of course....

FWIW, I've used/use the latest versions of 24, 35, 50 Summilux lenses on the 61Mp Sony A7rIV with good results. I was very surprised to see how well the 24mm performed on the Sony.  Of course, I prefer M lenses on the M10. However from what I read, the wider M lenses and one of the 28mm seems problematic on the thick Sony sensor. 

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On 10/23/2020 at 1:12 PM, budjames said:

It was done in late July last year. 

Yes, they replaced the screen, silent shutter and the top plate. It is an M10-P with exception of the hot shoe still has the "M-10" engraved. This part was not changed. Meta data now shows the camera model as "M10-R". The serial number didn’t change either.

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Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

Thank you sir!!

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On 9/24/2020 at 10:58 AM, AlanJW said:

Sorry I am late to this thread, but IMHO the M10-R sensor is a great improvement over the the M10.  It is not the megapixels, it is the way it captures.  It isn't just improved DR;  the highlight capture is superb. which is a big improvement (fewer blown highlights) while maintaining very good shadow detail.  I expose for the highlights anyhow but this camera produces files thatr are easy to work with in ACR, and it has the quiet shutter of the 10-P.   Contrary to one post above, I see no difference in sharpness. I have zero regrets having traded in a M-10P.   But really, could one say it is a necessary upgrade?  No more than any other M upgrade.  GAS, yes, but GAS is a non-fatal addiction.

The disadvantage of course is file size and the need for storage space and perhaps more computing power  (so far, my seven year old quad core Mac Pro is quite adequate).

 

I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R.  The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance.  An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling.  Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R?  Do you get an additional full-stop?  From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point?  

BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, RayD28 said:

I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R.  The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance.  An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling.  Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R?  Do you get an additional full-stop?  From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point?  

BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison.  

 

 

Hi RayD28,

I don't have the R but have used the M246 for a few years and currently have shot about 10k frames on my M10P. My(free😀)advice is that if you tend to crop a lot then the M10R will be a worthwhile move for you.I have never had an issue with blown highlights on either the M246 or he M10 P and I generally overexpose by a half stop. 

All the black and white images on my site (link below) were shot on the 246. The color images are from various digital M cameras  - link takes you to an M10 image followed by about 5 more.

If on the other hand you are routinely having exposure problems then the M10R is worth considering 

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Thanks! That photo works for me on so many levels - especially living here in the States

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24 minutes ago, Kwesi said:

Hi RayD28,

I don't have the R but have used the M246 for a few years and currently have shot about 10k frames on my M10P. My(free😀)advice is that if you tend to crop a lot then the M10R will be a worthwhile move for you.I have never had an issue with blown highlights on either the M246 or he M10 P and I generally overexpose by a half stop. 

All the black and white images on my site (link below) were shot on the 246. The color images are from various digital M cameras  - link takes you to an M10 image followed by about 5 more.

If on the other hand you are routinely having exposure problems then the M10R is worth considering 

Thanks for the feedback. Did you migrate to the 10-p from a 240?  If so did you see a useful improvement in iso performance?

I am using my phone and can’t see the links you mention. 

thanks for your help. 

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On 11/10/2020 at 8:00 AM, RayD28 said:

I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R.  The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance.  An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling.  Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R?  Do you get an additional full-stop?  From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point?  

BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison.  I do not think the ISO performance is a tipping point.   The M10P is a perfectly good if not great camera.   But the sensor DR in the 10R is different.  The ability to recover highlights is exceptional and noticeably better than the 10P.  Whether that is a tipping point for anybody else, I don't know.  It was enough for me to make the change, along with the ability to crop, and I have no regrets. But YMMV.

 

 

"so much better" is so broad, that I can't answer for you - or anyone else. 

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I coughed up the subscription price for Sean Reid's site.  I forgot how much I enjoy his work.  I plan to re-read the M10R articles but at first impression the R's ISO is more controllable at high ISOs (6400 or more) but I'm not sure if that is relevant to what I do.  Like I said above I do some cropping (sometimes heavy) but I wonder if I can solve that by quickly using my feet and get closer.  

Thanks for everyone's feedback.  

 

 

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I love the increased resolution, higher dynamic range and less noise at higher ISOs of my M10R as compared to my M10P. 

I also own the SL2. Images compare favorably to those produced with my M10R. 

Now my M10P (factory converted from an M10) sits on a shelf. I think that I'm going to sell this body as it is too expensive to not be used.

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Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

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DR and exposure latitude of the M10-P at ISO 200 is good enough. Therefore, I didn't get the M10-R.

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With 40 megapixels (and a good lens) you can crop away half the frame and still have 24 MP left over. I'm one of those people who doesn't stand close enough. No matter how close I get, still it seems I can crop out half the frame and have a better picture. 

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