budjames Posted October 23, 2020 Share #101 Posted October 23, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/21/2020 at 10:21 PM, jberry said: Hey Bud James! When you did the M10 to M10-P conversion, did Leica Germany also change out the back screen to be a touch screen? It was done in late July last year. Yes, they replaced the screen, silent shutter and the top plate. It is an M10-P with exception of the hot shoe still has the "M-10" engraved. This part was not changed. Meta data now shows the camera model as "M10-R". The serial number didn’t change either. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted October 23, 2020 Share #102 Posted October 23, 2020 Am 7.10.2020 um 19:07 schrieb TrickyMrT: ... Sony´s A7III feels like a toy for kids. I really hated everything on this camera. Mostly look and feel! And touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 30, 2020 Share #103 Posted October 30, 2020 I have no regrets trading in my M10 for a M10R. The M10R sensor has an improved Dynamic Range other than just higher in resolution. Especially in Landscape Photography application where there are usually shadow and highlight within the frame, the M10R manages highlight blowouts much less and allows more highlight recovery in post processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted October 30, 2020 Share #104 Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 2:53 PM, Steven said: quick update though, although I don't want to hijack the thread. I just tried my 35mm Lux ASPH on my brand new a7siii with the metabones M to E adapter. A few observations: -The photos seemed excellent to me, even with the 12mp sensor. -The focusing experience was excellent as well, as the focus assistant of the a7siii is meant to act like a cine camera. In fact, the focus peaking was very reliable with my lux. -I tried to take a video with the lux mounted on the a7siii and OH MY GOD. It was an orgasm. The image I got out of it is like nothing ive seen before from a mirrorless. It looked to my eyes like if I was shooting a Hollywood movie with an ARRI I definitely need to test this out some more... PS. This won't stop me from upgrading to the m10r of course.... FWIW, I've used/use the latest versions of 24, 35, 50 Summilux lenses on the 61Mp Sony A7rIV with good results. I was very surprised to see how well the 24mm performed on the Sony. Of course, I prefer M lenses on the M10. However from what I read, the wider M lenses and one of the 28mm seems problematic on the thick Sony sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jberry Posted November 3, 2020 Share #105 Posted November 3, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 1:12 PM, budjames said: It was done in late July last year. Yes, they replaced the screen, silent shutter and the top plate. It is an M10-P with exception of the hot shoe still has the "M-10" engraved. This part was not changed. Meta data now shows the camera model as "M10-R". The serial number didn’t change either. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Thank you sir!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted November 10, 2020 Share #106 Posted November 10, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 10:58 AM, AlanJW said: Sorry I am late to this thread, but IMHO the M10-R sensor is a great improvement over the the M10. It is not the megapixels, it is the way it captures. It isn't just improved DR; the highlight capture is superb. which is a big improvement (fewer blown highlights) while maintaining very good shadow detail. I expose for the highlights anyhow but this camera produces files thatr are easy to work with in ACR, and it has the quiet shutter of the 10-P. Contrary to one post above, I see no difference in sharpness. I have zero regrets having traded in a M-10P. But really, could one say it is a necessary upgrade? No more than any other M upgrade. GAS, yes, but GAS is a non-fatal addiction. The disadvantage of course is file size and the need for storage space and perhaps more computing power (so far, my seven year old quad core Mac Pro is quite adequate). I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R. The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance. An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling. Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R? Do you get an additional full-stop? From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point? BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 10, 2020 Share #107 Posted November 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 minutes ago, RayD28 said: BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison. You’re apparently in the US, which means you can rent both from Lensrentals. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted November 10, 2020 Share #108 Posted November 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jeff S said: You’re apparently in the US, which means you can rent both from Lensrentals. Jeff Impossible was a bad choice of word. I’m looking for free advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 10, 2020 Share #109 Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, RayD28 said: Impossible was a bad choice of word. I’m looking for free advice. My advice is free. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted November 10, 2020 Share #110 Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Jeff S said: My advice is free. Jeff And I appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 10, 2020 Share #111 Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, RayD28 said: I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R. The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance. An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling. Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R? Do you get an additional full-stop? From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point? BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison. Hi RayD28, I don't have the R but have used the M246 for a few years and currently have shot about 10k frames on my M10P. My(free😀)advice is that if you tend to crop a lot then the M10R will be a worthwhile move for you.I have never had an issue with blown highlights on either the M246 or he M10 P and I generally overexpose by a half stop. All the black and white images on my site (link below) were shot on the 246. The color images are from various digital M cameras - link takes you to an M10 image followed by about 5 more. If on the other hand you are routinely having exposure problems then the M10R is worth considering 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 10, 2020 Share #112 Posted November 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Steven said: the shot of the muslim girls with their baby in front of the hundred of American flags 👌🏼 Thanks! That photo works for me on so many levels - especially living here in the States Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted November 10, 2020 Share #113 Posted November 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Kwesi said: Hi RayD28, I don't have the R but have used the M246 for a few years and currently have shot about 10k frames on my M10P. My(free😀)advice is that if you tend to crop a lot then the M10R will be a worthwhile move for you.I have never had an issue with blown highlights on either the M246 or he M10 P and I generally overexpose by a half stop. All the black and white images on my site (link below) were shot on the 246. The color images are from various digital M cameras - link takes you to an M10 image followed by about 5 more. If on the other hand you are routinely having exposure problems then the M10R is worth considering Thanks for the feedback. Did you migrate to the 10-p from a 240? If so did you see a useful improvement in iso performance? I am using my phone and can’t see the links you mention. thanks for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 10, 2020 Share #114 Posted November 10, 2020 I did notice a significant jump in high ISO improvement. I went from the 240 P to the M10P. the 240 was ok at 3200 the M10P shines at 6400. I haven't needed to go beyond 6400. this was shot at 6400 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted November 11, 2020 Share #115 Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 8:00 AM, RayD28 said: I'm using an M246P and trying to decide on an 10-P or 10-R. The higher mega pixels will come in handy for cropping but I'm mainly after better highlight recovery and ISO performance. An upgrade to the P is in my budget but to the R it's doable but is at the ceiling. Is the ISO performance of the R so much better than the P that you would recommend the R? Do you get an additional full-stop? From a practical standpoint, is the improved ISO/noise reduction performance a tipping point? BTW, I live in an area that it's impossible to do a hands-on comparison. I do not think the ISO performance is a tipping point. The M10P is a perfectly good if not great camera. But the sensor DR in the 10R is different. The ability to recover highlights is exceptional and noticeably better than the 10P. Whether that is a tipping point for anybody else, I don't know. It was enough for me to make the change, along with the ability to crop, and I have no regrets. But YMMV. "so much better" is so broad, that I can't answer for you - or anyone else. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayD28 Posted November 12, 2020 Share #116 Posted November 12, 2020 I coughed up the subscription price for Sean Reid's site. I forgot how much I enjoy his work. I plan to re-read the M10R articles but at first impression the R's ISO is more controllable at high ISOs (6400 or more) but I'm not sure if that is relevant to what I do. Like I said above I do some cropping (sometimes heavy) but I wonder if I can solve that by quickly using my feet and get closer. Thanks for everyone's feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsonj Posted November 12, 2020 Share #117 Posted November 12, 2020 Something else to consider is the M10-R’s native base iso of 100. To me that’s as appealing as the performance at 6400 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted November 20, 2020 Share #118 Posted November 20, 2020 I love the increased resolution, higher dynamic range and less noise at higher ISOs of my M10R as compared to my M10P. I also own the SL2. Images compare favorably to those produced with my M10R. Now my M10P (factory converted from an M10) sits on a shelf. I think that I'm going to sell this body as it is too expensive to not be used. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 10, 2021 Share #119 Posted January 10, 2021 DR and exposure latitude of the M10-P at ISO 200 is good enough. Therefore, I didn't get the M10-R. M10-P as shot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10-P processed 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10-P processed ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313173-m10-upgreade-to-m10-r-or-not/?do=findComment&comment=4115686'>More sharing options...
Twasi Posted January 13, 2021 Share #120 Posted January 13, 2021 With 40 megapixels (and a good lens) you can crop away half the frame and still have 24 MP left over. I'm one of those people who doesn't stand close enough. No matter how close I get, still it seems I can crop out half the frame and have a better picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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