This is why I bought an M10R

[jonoslack]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Jono ask me to add this. Here are some further explanations:

I’m afraid I haven’t spelt out what I’m getting at on this post. The point is that you can shoot the M10-R in brighter light conditions than the M10, M or M9. Without using ND filters. 
This wouldn’t matter to everyone, but I often want to shoot with the lens wide open in very bright high contrast situations (generally people rather than boats!). 

The base ISO of the M10-R already gives you 1 stop advantage (100 vs M10’s 200). In addition to this you can recover a lot more information than you can with the previous M cameras. 

Thanks to Dr No for pointing this out so clearly in post #78
 

I've been trying to think of a simple way of describing it, and here it is

So This boat was shot with the 50 'lux at f1.4, and at 100 ISO at 1/4000th second

 

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

This is the developed image with 2.35 stops of under exposure

 

and here they are side by side 

 

Here you are Scott:

All the best

 

 

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

Nice recovery.  Can you show the histogram when you brought up the raw image in LR and as adjusted?

[harryzet]

i usually expose correct and therefore dont need a leica m10-r

[jonoslack]

17 minutes ago, harryzet said:

i usually expose correct and therefore dont need a leica m10-r

Well Harry 

Good point (and so do I when I can)

But you couldn't have exposed this properly on the M10, because I already used the maximum possible exposure (ISO 100 at 1/4000th) You might of course argue that you never want to shoot wide open in bright light, or that you could use an ND filter. But 1/2 stop over-exposure will ruin M10 pictures, even at 200 ISO - so the implication here is that you have about 3 extra stops on the M10-R (that's 100 - to 200 ISO plus the 2.35 stops in post processing).

[evikne]

45 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

So This boat was shot with the 50 'lux at f1.4, and at 100 ISO at 1/1000th second

I guess you meant "1/4000th second".

[jonoslack]

1 minute ago, evikne said:

I guess you meant "1/4000th second".

Thank you evilne I've corrected it - 

 

[evikne]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

I would love to have a camera with that dynamic range, but I don't need all the pixels.

I cross my fingers that the M11 will inherit the M10-R's dynamic range, but with a lower resolution.

Edited August 21, 2020 by evikne

[Chaemono]

ETTR with details preserved in the highlights. M10 can do this at ISO 200.

[jonoslack]

4 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

ETTR with details preserved in the highlights. M10 can do this at ISO 200.

Even if I agreed (which I don't) you would need at the very least 1/8,000 to do it and where will you find that?

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by jonoslack

[photophile]

Hi Jono: simply could not resist this one...and I always thoroughly enjoy your thoughtful comments and beautiful images. My M8 classic :)

[250swb]

Even the most expensive ND filter is going to trump that reason to buy an M10R. I'd rather spend the difference on a bag of chips and a luxury cruise

Edited August 21, 2020 by 250swb

[jonoslack]

2 minutes ago, 250swb said:

Even the most expensive ND filter is going to trump that reason to buy an M10R, I mean there'd be enough change from trading my M10 in for a bag of chips and a luxury cruise.

But if you went on a luxury cruise you'd get Covid, then you wouldn't enjoy your chips!

[Charles Morgan]

Very impressive. I have a near phobia of blown highlights, that is a lot of recovery!

[Chaemono]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb jonoslack:

Even if I agreed (which I don't) you would need at the very least 1/8,000 to do it and where will you find that?

 

Then I’ll just stop down the lens a bit. 

[bags27]

Well, I guess if one can recover both highlights and shadows so well, it gets harder and harder to justify using film. 😄

Jono,

Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration).

[jonoslack]

24 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

Then I’ll just stop down the lens a bit. 

Of course - but I did say why I bought one (not why you should buy one), and I do shoot a lot in very high contrast situations (often with only a glimpse of bright light) and I do like to shoot wide open - and for me, what amounts to 3 stops of extra headroom is really important

Edited August 21, 2020 by jonoslack
typos

[Jeff S]

4 minutes ago, bags27 said:

Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration).

See section on Dynamic Range.

Jeff

[jonoslack]

5 minutes ago, bags27 said:

Well, I guess if one can recover both highlights and shadows so well, it gets harder and harder to justify using film. 😄

Jono,

Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration).

Hi There

I guess it does - but maybe you should justify using film because it's charming, and because of the process (rather than for direct technical reasons)

Yes - I'm sure it's 100 (just a little less than 100  I think, but I can't remember absolutely)

[Tailwagger]

I'd note that for someone whose opinion is as well respected as Jono's to turn around after a 'free' for a year 10-R and buy one with his own hard earned coppers tells us all something important.  What it says to non-owners is that, no BS, the 10-R is a great M. But as someone fortunate enough to have one, I already knew that part. What it says to me is that the M11 is over a year away  😁

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[bags27]

21 minutes ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There

I guess it does - but maybe you should justify using film because it's charming, and because of the process (rather than for direct technical reasons)

Yes - I'm sure it's 100 (just a little less than 100  I think, but I can't remember absolutely)

Thanks, Jono. IIRC, someone else (not you or Sean Reid, I think) suggested something like 64--but maybe that's just my Kodachrome-influenced memory.

And yes, no rush to sell, or stop using, film, but the technical gap only increases.