Popular Post jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Popular Post Share #1 Posted August 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jono ask me to add this. Here are some further explanations: I’m afraid I haven’t spelt out what I’m getting at on this post. The point is that you can shoot the M10-R in brighter light conditions than the M10, M or M9. Without using ND filters. This wouldn’t matter to everyone, but I often want to shoot with the lens wide open in very bright high contrast situations (generally people rather than boats!). The base ISO of the M10-R already gives you 1 stop advantage (100 vs M10’s 200). In addition to this you can recover a lot more information than you can with the previous M cameras. Thanks to Dr No for pointing this out so clearly in post #78 I've been trying to think of a simple way of describing it, and here it is So This boat was shot with the 50 'lux at f1.4, and at 100 ISO at 1/4000th second Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is the developed image with 2.35 stops of under exposure and here they are side by side Here you are Scott: All the best 15 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is the developed image with 2.35 stops of under exposure and here they are side by side Here you are Scott: All the best ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312525-this-is-why-i-bought-an-m10r/?do=findComment&comment=4030879'>More sharing options...
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scott kirkpatrick Posted August 21, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 21, 2020 Nice recovery. Can you show the histogram when you brought up the raw image in LR and as adjusted? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post harryzet Posted August 21, 2020 Popular Post Share #3 Posted August 21, 2020 i usually expose correct and therefore dont need a leica m10-r 8 2 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted August 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, harryzet said: i usually expose correct and therefore dont need a leica m10-r Well Harry Good point (and so do I when I can) But you couldn't have exposed this properly on the M10, because I already used the maximum possible exposure (ISO 100 at 1/4000th) You might of course argue that you never want to shoot wide open in bright light, or that you could use an ND filter. But 1/2 stop over-exposure will ruin M10 pictures, even at 200 ISO - so the implication here is that you have about 3 extra stops on the M10-R (that's 100 - to 200 ISO plus the 2.35 stops in post processing). 6 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted August 21, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, jonoslack said: So This boat was shot with the 50 'lux at f1.4, and at 100 ISO at 1/1000th second I guess you meant "1/4000th second". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted August 21, 2020 1 minute ago, evikne said: I guess you meant "1/4000th second". Thank you evilne I've corrected it - Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted August 21, 2020 Share #7 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I would love to have a camera with that dynamic range, but I don't need all the pixels. I cross my fingers that the M11 will inherit the M10-R's dynamic range, but with a lower resolution. Edited August 21, 2020 by evikne 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 21, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 21, 2020 ETTR with details preserved in the highlights. M10 can do this at ISO 200. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chaemono said: ETTR with details preserved in the highlights. M10 can do this at ISO 200. Even if I agreed (which I don't) you would need at the very least 1/8,000 to do it and where will you find that? Edited August 21, 2020 by jonoslack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photophile Posted August 21, 2020 Share #10 Posted August 21, 2020 Hi Jono: simply could not resist this one...and I always thoroughly enjoy your thoughtful comments and beautiful images. My M8 classic :) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 21, 2020 Share #11 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Even the most expensive ND filter is going to trump that reason to buy an M10R. I'd rather spend the difference on a bag of chips and a luxury cruise Edited August 21, 2020 by 250swb 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share #12 Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, 250swb said: Even the most expensive ND filter is going to trump that reason to buy an M10R, I mean there'd be enough change from trading my M10 in for a bag of chips and a luxury cruise. But if you went on a luxury cruise you'd get Covid, then you wouldn't enjoy your chips! 1 20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Morgan Posted August 21, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 21, 2020 Very impressive. I have a near phobia of blown highlights, that is a lot of recovery! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 21, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 21, 2020 vor 33 Minuten schrieb jonoslack: Even if I agreed (which I don't) you would need at the very least 1/8,000 to do it and where will you find that? Then I’ll just stop down the lens a bit. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted August 21, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 21, 2020 Well, I guess if one can recover both highlights and shadows so well, it gets harder and harder to justify using film. 😄 Jono, Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Then I’ll just stop down the lens a bit. Of course - but I did say why I bought one (not why you should buy one), and I do shoot a lot in very high contrast situations (often with only a glimpse of bright light) and I do like to shoot wide open - and for me, what amounts to 3 stops of extra headroom is really important Edited August 21, 2020 by jonoslack typos 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 21, 2020 Share #17 Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, bags27 said: Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration). See section on Dynamic Range. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted August 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, bags27 said: Well, I guess if one can recover both highlights and shadows so well, it gets harder and harder to justify using film. 😄 Jono, Do you feel the native base ISO of the 10R to be 100? (not that the point changes your demonstration). Hi There I guess it does - but maybe you should justify using film because it's charming, and because of the process (rather than for direct technical reasons) Yes - I'm sure it's 100 (just a little less than 100 I think, but I can't remember absolutely) 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 21, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 21, 2020 I'd note that for someone whose opinion is as well respected as Jono's to turn around after a 'free' for a year 10-R and buy one with his own hard earned coppers tells us all something important. What it says to non-owners is that, no BS, the 10-R is a great M. But as someone fortunate enough to have one, I already knew that part. What it says to me is that the M11 is over a year away 😁 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted August 21, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, jonoslack said: Hi There I guess it does - but maybe you should justify using film because it's charming, and because of the process (rather than for direct technical reasons) Yes - I'm sure it's 100 (just a little less than 100 I think, but I can't remember absolutely) Thanks, Jono. IIRC, someone else (not you or Sean Reid, I think) suggested something like 64--but maybe that's just my Kodachrome-influenced memory. And yes, no rush to sell, or stop using, film, but the technical gap only increases. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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