rjans Posted October 25, 2018 Share #21 Posted October 25, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/24/2018 at 6:12 AM, Ko.Fe. said: Or new "Yashica". Even if they will made it and sell it. Who is going to support and service it? Good question, support and servicing is very important. I have no special interest in the PIXII but as far I've read the price would be approx. half of the price of a digital Leica M. I would prefer a used M (Typ 240, 262) at comparable price in good condition purchased from a trusted dealer and that it can be serviced by Leica. The new "Yashica" is a horrible story, a real shame that harms or can harm other companies that take business seriously. Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keith_W Posted October 26, 2018 Share #22 Posted October 26, 2018 If it comes in at half the price of an M10, that would put it in secondhand M240 or M9 territory. That better be a hell of a sensor to make you forego all the things you already know about if you were to buy an M240/M9: - Leica build quality - Leica service and support - Sensor is a known quantity. On the M240, it is close to an M10. - Both M9 and M240 have screens. - Both M9 and M240 have SD cards. You don't have some measly built-in 32GB storage, beyond which everything has to be downloaded to your phone. If it's a high MP camera, that will take ages, and it will soon overload your phone's storage. That is, until you can get your phone near a PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted October 26, 2018 Share #23 Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Keith_W said: If it comes in at half the price of an M10, that would put it in secondhand M240 or M9 territory. That better be a hell of a sensor to make you forego all the things you already know about if you were to buy an M240/M9: - Leica build quality - Leica service and support - Sensor is a known quantity. On the M240, it is close to an M10. - Both M9 and M240 have screens. - Both M9 and M240 have SD cards. You don't have some measly built-in 32GB storage, beyond which everything has to be downloaded to your phone. If it's a high MP camera, that will take ages, and it will soon overload your phone's storage. That is, until you can get your phone near a PC. People buying RF cameras not because of the sensors. R-D1 still sells well because it is RF. And so is M8. We are comparing cameras with one in country service (Like NJ only for NA), plus HQ, to unknown yet business decision camera. It is better than nothing service (Leica) vs next to unknown business model for digital cameras. Many of us use digital rangefinders just as we are using film rangefinders, no screens, no machine gun approach. And many of us don't need huge files. This is why in many regular cameras it is multi-choice for RAW file size. I'm I going to buy v1 of this camera? I'm not sure, I like working cameras, not market research releases. Even company sized as Leica shows what v1 cameras are not ideal (M8/M9). If it would be regular camera manufacturer like Canonikon, I would. Few people show camera, I'm not sure about it... But it could be new approach. Electronics are possible, but RF and shutter... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 29, 2018 Share #24 Posted October 29, 2018 With 5.5um pixel pitch, it can hardly have a 28MP FF or 12MP APS-C sensor i guess. Could well have a 16MP APS-H sensor then. Would justify both 28/35/40/50 framelines and a price tag higher than that of the digital CL eventually. The base length of the rangefinder looks quite short though, hence accuracy issues with the fastest 50mm lenses i suspect, let alone 75 or 90mm lenses which have no framelines anyway. Daring challenge indeed, unless it's just a vaporware camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share #25 Posted October 30, 2018 I read somewhere that it was full frame, but I don't remember where. Maybe it's 6x6! Okay, smaller, but to fit a square format in the M lens image circle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 30, 2018 Share #26 Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: I read somewhere that it was full frame, but I don't remember where. Difficult to believe for a "global electronic shutter" according to Pixii's specifications. Too expensive i suspect but i may be wrong.https://pixii.fr/technical-specifications/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share #27 Posted October 30, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, lct said: Difficult to believe for a "global electronic shutter" according to Pixii's specifications. Too expensive i suspect but i may be wrong.https://pixii.fr/technical-specifications/ I doubt that, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted November 12, 2018 Share #28 Posted November 12, 2018 They've just announced this: 12 MP APS-C 4:3 sensor with global shutter (4096 x 3072, 22.5 x 16.9 mm) Price: around €3,500 Dream over. https://photorumors.com/2018/11/12/pixii-camera-update-12mp-aps-c-43-sensor-global-shutter-m-mount-price-e3500 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 12, 2018 Share #29 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) This morning, Pixii article in french, first hand on prototype... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 12, 2018 by a.noctilux Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311132-pixii-a-new-m-mount-rangefinder/?do=findComment&comment=3630056'>More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2018 Share #30 Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, terrycym said: They've just announced this: 12 MP APS-C 4:3 sensor with global shutter (4096 x 3072, 22.5 x 16.9 mm) Price: around €3,500 Dream over.https://photorumors.com/2018/11/12/pixii-camera-update-12mp-aps-c-43-sensor-global-shutter-m-mount-price-e3500 12MP for a 4:3 APS-C sensor leave less than 11MP for 3:2 pictures. Not sure i would have paid more than 2,000 EUR for that, but 3,500... Clean M240 bodies can be found easily for less. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted November 12, 2018 Share #31 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, terrycym said: They've just announced this: 12 MP APS-C 4:3 sensor with global shutter (4096 x 3072, 22.5 x 16.9 mm) Price: around €3,500 What a joke. You can get a used M240 for that price. Or get a Leica CL. Or a third party of your choice like Sony, Fuji etc. Edited November 12, 2018 by Simone_DF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted November 12, 2018 Share #32 Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, lct said: 12MP for a 4:3 APS-C sensor leave less than 11MP for 3:2 pictures. Not sure i would have paid more than 2,000 EUR for that, but 3,500... Clean M240 bodies can be found easily for less. I've seen second hand M8's for less than £1,000 Very disappointed! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 15, 2018 Share #33 Posted November 15, 2018 I cannot see any advantage in buying the 12MP Pixii rather than a 24MP CL at about the same price, including the kit 18-56 AF zoom lens or even a second hand M8/M9 at a lower price. I suspect they will vanish without trace in a few months. If the price had been nearer €1,000 rather €3500, they might have sold a few. I feel sorry for the backers of this non-starter. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 15, 2018 Share #34 Posted November 15, 2018 +1. I just hope the creators of the camera did not invest their own money in what looks like a brainless venture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted November 15, 2018 Share #35 Posted November 15, 2018 Why don't they do a bit of market research beforehand? Heck, they could even create a few "rumours" on a few photo forums and see how people react? For the price they're asking, you could get two Fujis which have better ISO performance, screens, memory cards & IS. Surely, their market must be existing M users. Which non-M photographer is going to spend that amount on an unknown item and splash out on M lenses? Assuming he even knows what an M lens and Leica are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted November 15, 2018 Share #36 Posted November 15, 2018 For all those who say that the Leica M is overpriced, just look at this camera. This is how much it costs to develop and market a new rangefinder from scratch which is missing many features from the Leica M, and it's not much cheaper than a Leica M. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemetric Posted January 9, 2019 Share #37 Posted January 9, 2019 It is a pity. I really was interested in that camera but is extremely overpriced! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 9, 2019 Share #38 Posted January 9, 2019 A classic case of blind optimism overcoming common sense plus zero business acumen. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted March 2, 2019 Share #39 Posted March 2, 2019 Has this project been killed off yet? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 4, 2020 Share #40 Posted July 4, 2020 https://leicarumors.com/2020/07/03/the-pixii-aps-c-connected-digital-rangefinder-with-leica-m-mount-will-be-officially-announced-on-monday.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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