Einst_Stein Posted July 6, 2020 Share #61 Posted July 6, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, stephen.w said: Except none of them are rangefinders. That is irrelevant. It’s selling point is the iPhone connectivity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Einst_Stein Posted July 6, 2020 Share #62 Posted July 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ecar said: It would be great to attract a younger crowd to RF photography, but at this price level and with those specs, I predict they will be out of business sooner rather than later. I hope I'm wrong, though... Concerning when they will be out of businesses is perhaps too ahead. I wonder when they will be in business! 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted July 6, 2020 Share #63 Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Einst_Stein said: That is irrelevant. It’s selling point is the iPhone connectivity. But surely also the rangefinder? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted July 6, 2020 Share #64 Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, stephen.w said: But surely also the rangefinder? As far as a Leica M user’s concern, only if it really works as a LEica. M rangefinder. Merely looks like does not count. Let’s wait to see. But I am waiting to see a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 6, 2020 Share #65 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, stephen.w said: But surely also the rangefinder? A rangefinder, as an opto-mechanical way of focusing a lens, is just a means to an end, not an attraction in itself. The interesting question is why they chose a RF design over AF: I guess it minimises power requirements, eliminates the need to bargain with the owners of IP for proprietary AF interfaces, but at the cost of getting the precision engineering and manufacture of the RF mechanism right. With no LCD/Liveview and no electro-mechanical shutter, I wonder how long the battery lasts. How many other APS-C sensors are there with a global shutter? Edited July 6, 2020 by LocalHero1953 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted July 6, 2020 Share #66 Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: A rangefinder, as an opto-mechanical way of focusing a lens, is just a means to an end, not an attraction in itself. The interesting question is why they chose a RF design over AF: I guess it minimises power requirements, eliminates the need to bargain with the owners of IP for proprietary AF interfaces, but at the cost of getting the precision engineering and manufacture of the RF mechanism right. With no LCD/Liveview and no electro-mechanical shutter, I wonder how long the battery lasts. I do think it is a different 'way of seeing', and in that sense an attraction in itself, but can also see why you and others might prefer mirrorless EVF only cameras Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 6, 2020 Share #67 Posted July 6, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, stephen.w said: I do think it is a different 'way of seeing', and in that sense an attraction in itself, but can also see why you and others might prefer mirrorless EVF only cameras Mirrorless EVF is not the only alternative to a camera with a rangefinder. You can have an optical viewfinder and no EVF, and still have autofocus (plenty of film cameras were designed that way). Rangefinder is just the focus mechanism, not the viewing mechanism. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted July 6, 2020 Share #68 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Einst_Stein said: Concerning when they will be out of businesses is perhaps too ahead. I wonder when they will be in business! It's true that there has been talk about this for what, 2 or 3 years now. Just a few days ago I was reading a post about it being vapourware. Now it's here and the standard model is sold out and the "launch" model is "limited availability"... presumably they had a first run of more than just a few units, so that's not bad, especially at that price! The more makers are out there, the better for everyone, so let's hope they do very well! Edited July 6, 2020 by ianman 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted July 6, 2020 Share #69 Posted July 6, 2020 It is APS-C. I see only one major difference from mounting M-lenses on a Fuji X-Pro or even a Fuji XE camera: you really, really want a rangefinder mechanism. The pixel dimensions are less than the Fuji X-Pro 2. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted July 6, 2020 Share #70 Posted July 6, 2020 vor 53 Minuten schrieb LocalHero1953: A rangefinder, as an opto-mechanical way of focusing a lens, is just a means to an end, not an attraction in itself. It's not? I was attracted to rangefinders the last 20 years because of the wrong reason? OMG. Have to throw myself behind a train now..... Seriously. For me personally the rangefinder mechanism is the main reason why I use rangefinder cameras (135 and 120 film) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted July 6, 2020 Share #71 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb Einst_Stein: That is irrelevant. It’s selling point is the iPhone connectivity. So it's a niche within a niche when you consider the 75% marketshare of android smartphones. Edit: it's also for Android..... Edited July 6, 2020 by tom.w.bn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 6, 2020 Share #72 Posted July 6, 2020 The PIXII's sensor stack is thinner than Fuji's hopefully. Problem (among others) is the short base length of the rangefinder. 50/1.4 lenses should fit more or less though. The RD1 had the same issues in 2004 but it had SD cards and a reversible display then. Thanks no thanks but good luck for the continuation . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311132-pixii-a-new-m-mount-rangefinder/?do=findComment&comment=4005011'>More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted July 6, 2020 Share #73 Posted July 6, 2020 Just dicovered this page. https://pixii.fr/support From there you can find a quickstart guide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 6, 2020 Share #74 Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, farnz said: Thanks for posting, Philipp. Interesting. Well, actually John started the discussion almost two years ago 😁 Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2020 Share #75 Posted July 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Well, actually John started the discussion almost two years ago 😁 Hi didn't start this thread, which was clearly what I referred to. Pete. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted July 6, 2020 Share #76 Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, tom.w.bn said: So it's a niche within a niche when you consider the 75% marketshare of android smartphones. Edit: it's also for Android..... Well，Good luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 6, 2020 Share #77 Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, farnz said: Hi didn't start this thread, which was clearly what I referred to. Pete. Obviously. See smiley face. (Old discussion was restarted Saturday with recent news.) The point was that the product has taken two years to materialize (from similar rumors). Jeff Edited July 6, 2020 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted July 6, 2020 Share #78 Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, tom.w.bn said: It's not? I was attracted to rangefinders the last 20 years because of the wrong reason? OMG. Have to throw myself behind a train now..... Seriously. For me personally the rangefinder mechanism is the main reason why I use rangefinder cameras (135 and 120 film) You are truly special! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted July 6, 2020 Share #79 Posted July 6, 2020 6 hours ago, tom.w.bn said: Just saw the price.....What? 3490 EUR? You get a M-P 240 in very good condition for that. Used M10 are not rare in the low 4K USD now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 6, 2020 Share #80 Posted July 6, 2020 I would like to poll the following question: If you were offered a like new condition M8 or Pixi dust for free, which would you choose? I'm going M8 all day. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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