fotografr Posted June 30, 2020 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, the old FOC (flash on camera). Great lady and looks as good today as she did when I shot this in 1978. I met her again years later when we were both fly fishing on the Bighorn River in Montana. I had dinner there with her and her blowhard husband at the time, Ted Turner. What a jackass he was. Nobody at the table could get a word in because he just kept interrupting and talking over everybody else. No wonder she dumped him. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 17 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310997-old-portrait-style/?do=findComment&comment=4001805'>More sharing options...
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stuny Posted July 1, 2020 Share #2 Posted July 1, 2020 Delightful. A rather talented and lovely person. I remember seeing her on TV in the stands at a Braves game next to her husband. She seemed to be just going through the motions (tomahawk chop) of the fan behavior, with no sense of being involved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photophile Posted July 1, 2020 Share #3 Posted July 1, 2020 Nice image...and yes, interesting subject indeed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted July 1, 2020 8 hours ago, stuny said: Delightful. A rather talented and lovely person. I remember seeing her on TV in the stands at a Braves game next to her husband. She seemed to be just going through the motions (tomahawk chop) of the fan behavior, with no sense of being involved. I've always been rather disgusted by that chop, also done by other pro and college teams with mascots and names demeaning to native Americans. But I agree about Jane. Pure grace and class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted July 2, 2020 Share #5 Posted July 2, 2020 One of the "it's about damned time" results of the demonstrations is the relatively rapid correction of some of these behaviors. Let's hope it continues at a similar pace, or better. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #6 Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 5:16 PM, fotografr said: I've always been rather disgusted by that chop, also done by other pro and college teams with mascots and names demeaning to native Americans. Not everyone has the same feelings as you do. The Florida State Seminoles (FSU) use the "chop" and an Indian on a horse who plants a spear at midfield just prior to football kick-off, to the roar of its home-field stadium fans. In fact, the chief of the Seminole Indian Tribe has approved the use of the mascot and chop and accepted it as a tribute to their tribe's bravery. (I believe the Atlanta Braves subsequently adopted the "chop"). Amid Rising Discord Over Indian Images, F.S.U. Has Harmony - The New York Times.webloc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, ropo54 said: Not everyone has the same feelings as you do. Amid Rising Discord Over Indian Images, F.S.U. Has Harmony - The New York Times.webloc 177 B · 0 downloads I should hope not. I have never felt, stated or implied that everyone has the same feelings I do. I am entitled to my opinions, as are you. From what I've read, it appears the Florida Seminole tribe, which is a small portion of the Seminole Nation, has approved the practice of having Osceola ride onto the field and plant his spear. The chop and war chant are more mired in controversy. Here's another outside perspective on the subject. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/florida-state-seminoles-champions-racist-mascots/ Edited July 9, 2020 by fotografr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #8 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) I hardly see it the way that the writer in The Nation sees it, but appreciate your sending me that perspective. I consider myself to be politically sensitive but sometimes also think that 'we' go too far. For instance, and perhaps not a great example, but should we no longer call Michigan State, the "Spartans" for fear that we will offend those who may have been abused in history by their militaristic culture? Or, is the name Spartans nothing more than an allegory (with no racial or offensive intent)? Where do we draw the line at political correctness? And, as for Jane Fonda . . . still beautiful today and nice portrait! Edited July 9, 2020 by ropo54 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted July 9, 2020 Share #9 Posted July 9, 2020 The below history of the Seminole Indians was shared with me by another forum member by private mail. That the Seminoles were "unconquered" should have a complimentary connotation. This statue, on the Florida State campus, celebrates that Seminole spirit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1842) It finally ended in 1842 with the agreement that several hundred members of the tribe could remain in Florida. They stayed in the Florida swamps but never surrendered. Their descendants are the Seminole in Florida today. Did the Seminole Tribe surrender? Unlike their dealings with other Indian tribes, however, the U.S. government could not force a surrender from the Florida Seminoles. Historians estimate there may have been only a few hundred unconquered Seminole men, women and children left - all hiding in the swamps and Everglades of South Florida. ... No Surrender! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/310997-old-portrait-style/?do=findComment&comment=4006566'>More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 10, 2020 Share #10 Posted July 10, 2020 There are somewhere around 610,000 people that will never forget Jane Fonda. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted July 10, 2020 I actually have no aversion to using Seminoles as a team name, or having a student dressed as Chief Osceola ride onto the field to throw a spear into the ground. The only things I find personally offensive are the war chant and tomahawk chop. My sense is that most Native people would also consider it to be in poor taste. I enjoy sports, both participating and as a fan, but the chop stuff bothers me enough that I will not watch any game that it's a part of. But that's just me. Others can do whatever they feel is right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jdlaing said: There are somewhere around 610,000 people that will never forget Jane Fonda. You might be surprised at how many of those 610,000 have no problem with what she did. She followed her conscience. Edited July 10, 2020 by fotografr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #13 Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, fotografr said: You might be surprised at how many of those 610,000 have no problem with what she did. She followed her conscience. I think Jane Fonda has even apologized for some of her behavior when she went to Hanoi during the War and posed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. Still, appreciate that she accepts responsibility and realizes that she may have crossed the line. Still, I like her activism and marvel at her talent as an actress. As to the war chant and tomahawk chop, I'm not sure I understand your aversion. Do you have a problem firing a canon when a touch down is scored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted July 10, 2020 I fail to see the connection you're trying to make with that question. I see no parallel. Like I said before, I'm entitled to my opinion. You're entitled to yours. I see no purpose in carrying this out any further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #15 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families. ... I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft gun, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless. "Interview with Barbara Walters". UC Berkeley Library Sound Recording Project. 1988. Retrieved February 16, 2008. For my family, personally, Jane Fonda did one of the greatest things ever for people with disabilities when she had sex with a disabled Vietnam War veteran in Coming Home. It was a brave and essential act of diffusing the stigma of disabilities. I had the great pleasure of expressing my gratitude to one of her children. Edited July 10, 2020 by bags27 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 10, 2020 Share #16 Posted July 10, 2020 Fly fishing with Jane Fonda sure sounds like a memorable experience. I have never met her in person, but do like her a lot as an actress. Just saw the movie 'Book Club' a few days ago on TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #17 Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, wizard said: Fly fishing with Jane Fonda sure sounds like a memorable experience. I have never met her in person, but do like her a lot as an actress. Just saw the movie 'Book Club' a few days ago on TV. Unfortunately, she and Ted were in a drift boat with a guide. I was in waders along the shore. We only had dinner together that evening, but that was quite memorable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StS Posted July 11, 2020 Share #19 Posted July 11, 2020 Flashlight portraits are tricky but this one works very well. Stefan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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