LocalHero1953 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #21 Â Posted March 28, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, jaapv said: Yes, but it is about perception by the potential buyer. The TL has IBIS, so it should be possible on an CL2. It is just that it is a bit soon for a new model, but who knows? ????? News to me ????? Typo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nicci78 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #22 Â Posted March 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: ????? News to me ????? Typo? Certainly typo. SL2 is the sole Leica with IBISÂ Â 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 28, 2020 Share #23  Posted March 28, 2020 Yes, it has a digital IBIS, which takes two images in quick succession which it blends digitally to obtain a sharper image. I must confess I never tried it out. (page 168 of the manual) I'm sure that such a digital system could be enhanced to be effective in bodies that are too small to allow a mechanical system. It also supports O.I.S. SL lenses.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307840-leica-cl-camera-being-discontinued/?do=findComment&comment=3941018'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #24 Â Posted March 28, 2020 I don't remember that on the TL2 - now sold. Can anyone say if they kept it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huwm Posted March 28, 2020 Share #25 Â Posted March 28, 2020 I have a TL2 but despite seeing image stabilisation in the menu it is always off. I suspect if i had an SL lens it would become active? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2020 Share #26  Posted March 28, 2020 Sony offers IBIS on APS-C since 2016 if i'm not mistaken. Hard to imagine that the CL2 won't have it in 2020 or later but i have no info about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #27  Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration)  3 hours ago, lct said: Sony offers IBIS on APS-C since 2016 if i'm not mistaken. Hard to imagine that the CL2 won't have it in 2020 or later but i have no info about that. Yes that’s right. But only with 2 models : A6500 and its successor A6600 Sony still release in 2019 APS-C without IBIS : such as A6400 Edited March 28, 2020 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 28, 2020 Share #28  Posted March 28, 2020 8 hours ago, jaapv said: Yes, it has a digital IBIS, which takes two images in quick succession which it blends digitally to obtain a sharper image It is not IBIS. Just the third and least effective method of stabilisation : OIS (optical shift) IBIS (sensor shift) and EIS (electronic crop) EIS is often used in action cam, to avoid the use of any moving part. Combined with heavy crop and ultra wide angle fisheye viewing, the result is really nice. But such stabilisation does not work with longer focal length. It also seems that T/TL EIS is just a gimmick:  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialKonstruct Posted March 28, 2020 Share #29  Posted March 28, 2020 8 hours ago, jaapv said: Yes, it has a digital IBIS, which takes two images in quick succession which it blends digitally to obtain a sharper image. I must confess I never tried it out. (page 168 of the manual) I'm sure that such a digital system could be enhanced to be effective in bodies that are too small to allow a mechanical system. It also supports O.I.S. SL lenses.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  That isn't real IBIS. Even Sony does a better job of IS than Leica here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 28, 2020 Share #30  Posted March 28, 2020 I never said it was an effective feature on the TL - you may have noticed ed that I didn't even bother to test it out-, although it appears to work far better than on the T. My point is that a digital IBIS (which is not the same as electronic crop, although it will lose some edge pixels, I suppose) can well be developed for future models using for instance 4/6/8K technology. I would not be surprised if Leica would implement something like that in a future CL2. I don't see a philosophical difference between digital and mechanical IBIS (REAL IBIS? what is that supposed to be??? Wheels, cogs and electric motors? Or steam-driven?  ). As long as it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 29, 2020 Share #31  Posted March 29, 2020 EIS is not IBIS. It works quite well only in video mode with ultra wide angle. Because it needs lots of cropping, data and sampling. Providing 30 to 60 FPS is enough for the SOC to do its magic. In photography you do not have such luxury. Canon has the best EIS among camera manufacturers. But it only work in video mode too. And it better suited for wide angle. For longer lenses they advise us to use OIS lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 30, 2020 Share #32  Posted March 30, 2020 Just to go back to the topic. It is funny how fake news can spread. First of all Peter from Leica rumors is just wondering if the CL is being discontinued ! Hence the question mark in the title. Then only silver version of CL is stated as being discontinued. Not really surprising. Silver colour is treated as a kind of special edition for CL, Q, M Monochrom, D-Lux typ 109, etc... Then he just take its clue from Netherlands online store. Which are in fact the same company under different commercial name. As we all know Dutch Kamera Express group is not the worldwide reference for stock status. 😅 Last, Leica CL black is fully in stock in those websites  right now  Once again, much ado about nothing. Next time please stop spreading sloppy blogger report. Peter should have confirmed the information first before posting. But I guess that creating clickbait is way more tempting   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307840-leica-cl-camera-being-discontinued/?do=findComment&comment=3942513'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2020 Share #33 Â Posted March 30, 2020 Actually, I very much doubt whether Kamera Express is an official dealer. I know they revoked their dealership when they were still a single store in Capelle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2020 Share #34  Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 9:29 AM, nicci78 said: EIS is not IBIS. It works quite well only in video mode with ultra wide angle. Because it needs lots of cropping, data and sampling. Providing 30 to 60 FPS is enough for the SOC to do its magic. In photography you do not have such luxury. Canon has the best EIS among camera manufacturers. But it only work in video mode too. And it better suited for wide angle. For longer lenses they advise us to use OIS lenses. EIS in Video has to stabilize 30 or more fps and cope with large camera movements. In the TL it uses two files and the manual tell you to hold the camera as steady as possible. You are talking past my point, however. Which was: Leica already attempted a form of IBIS (no matter which technology) in one APS camera; I would not be surprised to see an improved system in future ones (again: no matter which underlying technology) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_w_wolves Posted March 30, 2020 Share #35 Â Posted March 30, 2020 IBIS, my question is: is IBIS solved by software or hardware ? And when hardware , more wheight? Thanks for answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 30, 2020 Share #36  Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, d_w_wolves said: IBIS, my question is: is IBIS solved by software or hardware ? And when hardware , more wheight? Thanks for answers. IBIS is hardware only. Other method is EIS (electronic) Of course IBIS needs motors of any kind (piezo electric or magnets) So it requires more weight, there is no free lunch.   1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2020 Share #37 Â Posted March 30, 2020 There is mechanical IBIS, with motors -which I am sure will be abandoned in the not too far future, and electronic IBIS, which is also referred to as E.I.S, which is still inferior but will win out in the end. IBIS means nothing more than In Body Image Stabilisation. Technology unspecified. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 30, 2020 Share #38  Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 4:22 AM, nicci78 said: We should stop reading Leica rumors. He never got any scoop. The only correct information he got, is by reporting Nokhishita news. It is easier to check them directly on Twitter with auto translate.    And when he was an ‘insider’ with the Q, but couldn’t publish his typical rumor posts.  His posts were actually pretty accurate (albeit not groundbreaking) for some years starting with the M9. But then he had the embarrassing fiasco with the Leica C-M, even doubling down before being atypically called out by Leica.  And then he repeated the doubling down with the SL2 release, confidently posting that it would be released in late 2018 before the Panasonic S bodies, then insisting it would be June. That said, David Farkas recently confirmed that the M Summarits... all of them...have been discontinued, and will not be available once existing supply is exhausted.  So Peter did get that right, maybe more due to luck than due diligence. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 31, 2020 Share #39  Posted March 31, 2020 I just check instructions. Leica CL & TL2 do not have the electronic stabilisation feature for still photography, anymore. EIS is only available in video mode with a slight crop. Both camera required OIS L-mount camera for still photo stabilisation. In video mode, they can use either EIS or OIS whichever available. So I guess that the EIS stuff for stills, tried with T & TL was gone forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 31, 2020 Share #40 Â Posted March 31, 2020 The only question mark being "forever" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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