Anika Posted January 19, 2020 Share #1 Posted January 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, just to be sure.... if I put yellow or red filter on the lens, will I see the effect on the screen in the shown b/w picture? I assume live view is just monochrom on the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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01af Posted January 19, 2020 Share #2 Posted January 19, 2020 vor 6 Minuten schrieb Anika: ... if I put yellow or red filter on the lens, will I see the effect on the screen in the shown b/w picture? Yes, sure you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 19, 2020 Share #3 Posted January 19, 2020 Remember it’s primarily a optical viewfinder / rangefinder. Red is normally OTT ; Yellow, Orange and Green are more everyday filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anika Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted January 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said: Remember it’s primarily a optical viewfinder / rangefinder. Red is normally OTT ; Yellow, Orange and Green are more everyday filters. I know, just to see how it works its better to see it before and not after. Whats OTT? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 19, 2020 Share #5 Posted January 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Anika said: I know, just to see how it works its better to see it before and not after. Whats OTT? Red is normally used sparingly - greens and blues can become very dark ; the contrast becomes unnaturally extreme .. over the top. Pre-visualization of the scene was the methodology before polaroid film and LCD screens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted January 19, 2020 Share #6 Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) OTT = Over The Top A bit like over-egging the pudding. Edited January 19, 2020 by marcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anika Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted January 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14 minutes ago, marcg said: A bit like over-egging the pudding. now I get it :)))) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 19, 2020 Share #8 Posted January 19, 2020 I shall adopt my normal b&w film practice - a medium yellow filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno_photoguy Posted January 19, 2020 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2020 I found this article useful for my 246. https://themachineplanet.wordpress.com/2015/09/16/the-leica-monochrom-typ-246-and-filters/ Not sure how the M10M sensor will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceVentura1986 Posted January 20, 2020 Share #10 Posted January 20, 2020 I use orange as the regular filter on my M9M. I found yellow is too weak while red is OTT and useful mostly outdoors forn landscapes. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Munich Posted March 23, 2020 Share #11 Posted March 23, 2020 Am 19.1.2020 um 21:04 schrieb Keith (M): I shall adopt my normal b&w film practice - a medium yellow filter. That´s actually what I was doing yesterday and the results were just BAD. The B&W 091 dark red produced no real sharp images (1.4/35 Summilux). So I made a test this morning and the results are shown in the attached screenshot (100% DNG with standard LR profile). On the left, 091 attached, on the right the bare lens, both at f8. I also tried a precise focusing on tripod, shifted the focus through the entire range, this is the best I could get. Stopping up leads to even more unsharp images. Will make further testing with a 040 orange. My recommendation so far: do not use color contrast filters at all. Which is really sad since I was really looking for that with the M10M. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305498-m10-monochrom-filters/?do=findComment&comment=3937123'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 23, 2020 Share #12 Posted March 23, 2020 The different wavelength of red light has probably led to the incorrect focus. Remember years ago when lenses had that little red line or dot to correct for focus with IR. Try focus with an EVF if you're using a later gen Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted March 23, 2020 Share #13 Posted March 23, 2020 Aside from medium yellow, I been making quite a lot of use of my Heliopan Orange 22 (mostly on 50mm Summilux-M ASPH). Typical result below, followed by a 1:1 crop of the RHS. Can't say I've noticed any loss of resolution/sharpness. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305498-m10-monochrom-filters/?do=findComment&comment=3937304'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 23, 2020 Share #14 Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Martin Munich said: That´s actually what I was doing yesterday and the results were just BAD. The B&W 091 dark red produced no real sharp images (1.4/35 Summilux). So I made a test this morning and the results are shown in the attached screenshot (100% DNG with standard LR profile). On the left, 091 attached, on the right the bare lens, both at f8. I also tried a precise focusing on tripod, shifted the focus through the entire range, this is the best I could get. Stopping up leads to even more unsharp images. Will make further testing with a 040 orange. My recommendation so far: do not use color contrast filters at all. Which is really sad since I was really looking for that with the M10M. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The cause is not the filter. You probably missed that a red filter will produce pronounced focus shift. You need to adjust your focussing technique with such filters. Note - the shift will vary with the lens - APO lenses are less affected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 23, 2020 Share #15 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Martin Munich said: ...The B&W 091 dark red produced no real sharp images (1.4/35 Summilux). So I made a test this morning and the results are shown in the attached screenshot......I also tried a precise focusing on tripod, shifted the focus through the entire range, this is the best I could get. Stopping up leads to even more unsharp images.....My recommendation so far: do not use color contrast filters at all... This mirrors my own experience using a red filter on different Ms (M8.2; M9-P; M9M; M-D Typ 262) but not with other colours of filter. The first couple of times I used a red filter I thought I had focussed poorly so tried again taking extreme care. No difference. I then thought that perhaps the quality of filter was perhaps making the images soft - perhaps the surfaces were not ground perfectly flat / perfectly parallel so I (eventually) managed to pick up a Leitz filter. No Difference. I then thought about the possibility that the focus-point might be changed (such as when using infra-red) so did slightly near-focus / correct-focus / slightly long-focus tests. No difference but I'm still not ruling this idea out... Using an ORANGE filter, however, seems to work perfectly fine (as does using a yellow) so there is something going on that I really don't understand when using a red filter. Here's an image I shot on Sat. with a Leitz orange filter on a (1959) 21mm f4 Super-Angulon on the M9M. Full image and 100% crop; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. Edited March 23, 2020 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Philip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305498-m10-monochrom-filters/?do=findComment&comment=3937352'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 23, 2020 Share #16 Posted March 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, jaapv said: The cause is not the filter. You probably missed that a red filter will produce pronounced focus shift. You need to adjust your focussing technique with such filters. Note - the shift will vary with the lens - APO lenses are less affected. Funnily enough I was typing my reply as you posted yours. I must do some more tests with altering front- and back-focus distances - and I suspect it will also vary from focal-length to focal-length. Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 23, 2020 Share #17 Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Martin Munich said: That´s actually what I was doing yesterday and the results were just BAD. The B&W 091 dark red produced no real sharp images (1.4/35 Summilux). No, he used a medium yellow filter; shouldn’t present any focus issues. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted March 23, 2020 Share #18 Posted March 23, 2020 I find that using a yellow filter (I use Leica's own filter) produces better results on the M10M. At least the rate of keepers is much higher for me VS when shooting without any filter. When I had the M9M I used the orange filter more often since it also worked similarly to an ND filter against the high base ISO, but on the M10M I prefer to use the yellow one instead. I just picked my two M10M lenses and leave the yellow filter permanently on them always (I then have two other lenses for color with the regular (colorless) UV filter). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Munich Posted March 23, 2020 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2020 vor 3 Stunden schrieb jaapv: The cause is not the filter. You probably missed that a red filter will produce pronounced focus shift. You need to adjust your focussing technique with such filters. Note - the shift will vary with the lens - APO lenses are less affected. Sorry, but the cause is indeed the filter, since I also tried different focus settings, used LV as well as the app on an iPad etc. and this is as sharp as it could get. Doing this for 40+ years too. So I am sure there is no way to produce sharper images with this filter and this lens at least not with my M10M. The orange filter is not that bad but still not useful for me since I will make real large prints which is why I bought a 40 MP sensor cam and a set of the best lenses you can get on the market. Since this is really an important issue for me, I will also talk to the LEICA store here in Munich and ask for their opinion. They should know in the end. Will keep you guys posted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 23, 2020 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2020 What filter are you using? It is not normal for a filter to produce such image degradation, normally it is all but invisible. I don''t have the M10M but the MM1 and my filtered images are tack-sharp. Perhaps something between the sensor filtration and the red filter? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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