snooper Posted January 21, 2020 Share #121  Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Just a quick question.. Does the M10M need a €XX yearly subscription to Fotos pro to gain access to the DNGs like on the SL2? Edited January 21, 2020 by snooper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted January 21, 2020 Share #122  Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, snooper said: Just a quick question.. Does the M10M need a €XX yearly subscription to Fotos pro to gain access to the DNGs like on the SL2? [My answer is wrong; you can transfer DNG files with the free app.] Leica FOTOS is the same for all cameras. You need a subscription in order to transfer DNG files (JPG transfer is free).  Edited January 21, 2020 by SrMi Wrong answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 21, 2020 Share #123  Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/19/2020 at 10:35 AM, scott kirkpatrick said: I just ran a file from the M10M in Capture One 20 with nice results. It uses a generic profile, but that's a start. Importing Leica M10 images into latest C1 also uses Generic profile by default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted January 21, 2020 Share #124  Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, snooper said: Just a quick question.. Does the M10M need a €XX yearly subscription to Fotos pro to gain access to the DNGs like on the SL2? Yes, nearly £7.5k isn't enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 21, 2020 Share #125  Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, SrMi said: Leica FOTOS is the same for all cameras. You need a subscription in order to transfer DNG files (JPG transfer is free). Well, I only store DNG files on my camera and Fotos will upload then and save them to local store. I don't use Adobe, and this is a very slow way to save a file, but I didn't have to pay a cent for this privilege. So the previous several posts are wrong. Fotos certainly tries to make you think you need to pay, but you don't. Edited January 21, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 21, 2020 Share #126  Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, snooper said: Just a quick question.. Does the M10M need a €XX yearly subscription to Fotos pro to gain access to the DNGs like on the SL2? no 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 21, 2020 Share #127  Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Well, I only store DNG files on my camera and Fotos will upload then and save them to local store. I don't use Adobe, and this is a very slow way to save a file, but I didn't have to pay a cent for this privilege. So the previous several posts are wrong. Fotos certainly tries to make you think you need to pay, but you don't. You are right, thank you for the correction. The only things added with Leica Fotos Pro subscription is access to the dedicated tablet app and direct access to iOS Lightroom from Fotos app. Edited January 21, 2020 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted January 22, 2020 Share #128  Posted January 22, 2020 17 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Well, I only store DNG files on my camera and Fotos will upload then and save them to local store. I don't use Adobe, and this is a very slow way to save a file, but I didn't have to pay a cent for this privilege. So the previous several posts are wrong. Fotos certainly tries to make you think you need to pay, but you don't. That's very good to know.  18 hours ago, marcg said: Yes, nearly £7.5k isn't enough I stand corrected – apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 22, 2020 Share #129  Posted January 22, 2020 My own experience which is corroborated by other users is: if you update the former version of Fotos to V. 2.0 you can still transfer DNG-Files to your device. If you download Fotos V 2.0 new from the App-Store DNG transfer is limited to the version which you have to pay for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22, 2020 Share #130  Posted January 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, UliWer said: My own experience which is corroborated by other users is: if you update the former version of Fotos to V. 2.0 you can still transfer DNG-Files to your device. If you download Fotos V 2.0 new from the App-Store DNG transfer is limited to the version which you have to pay for. Which limitation are you thinking of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 22, 2020 Share #131  Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) There is the basic version, which is free but doesn‘t allow DNG transfer if you download it new. If you just update it from your former version the DNG transfer will be still possible without payment. And there is the version  „Fotos for iPAD“ which you have to pay for on subscription and which allows the DNG transfer. Doesn‘t make any sense, though it is as I described it. Edited January 22, 2020 by UliWer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 22, 2020 Share #132  Posted January 22, 2020 I'm pretty sure Leica will come back with some reasonable changes on Fotos "pro" 2.0. Subscription should be out of the way. No need to sell us the link to LR on iPad, it's already paid for (by us)! Furthermore, it is possible nowadays to code a much faster upload process.   1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted January 22, 2020 Share #133  Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) The macOS PTP code already runs under iOS, so I could release a completely free iOS app that transfers DNGs (and which does so faster than Leica Fotos). I doubt that Leica would be very happy about this, but for the lack of complexity and quality of Leica's software, their subscription price is outrageous. Edited January 22, 2020 by Mark II 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22, 2020 Share #134  Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, UliWer said: There is the basic version, which is free but doesn‘t allow DNG transfer if you download it new. If you just update it from your former version the DNG transfer will be still possible without payment. And there is the version  „Fotos for iPAD“ which you have to pay for on subscription and which allows the DNG transfer. Doesn‘t make any sense, though it is as I described it. I have no issues downloading DNG files with free Fotos app. Which version of Fotos are you using, Android or iOS. Which camera and firmware? On iOS (iPhone) with SL2 you can download DNGs without any issue with the free app. This is what I did: - Delete Fotos app, download new app and install it again (just to verify if there is an issue with new app installation as you wrote). - Pair the iPhone with the camera. - Connect Fotos to the camera. - Download DNG to phone. - "Share" the downloaded DNG to Google Drive. - Access the DNG on computer. Which step does not work for you, or what exactly are you doing in order to download the DNG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 23, 2020 Share #135  Posted January 23, 2020 This is a M10M thread, so not the proper space to discuss Fotos issues with the SL2, but in short, try to get the DNGs out of the camera straight to your iPad to be able to tweak them and share them from  LR (on iPad)... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 23, 2020 Share #136  Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Currently in the AppStore there are two paths to follow -- Leica Fotos for iPad 1.03 and Leica Fotos 2.03. x.03 seems to mean that the M10-Monochrom is supported. I'm using the second of these, since I don't have an iPhone but do use an iPad. On Android, at the PlayStore,  it's 2.02 and there is a Leica Pro subscription offered for $50/year, renewing automatically. I keep upgrading and skipping the opportunity to send Leica the extra $50. I can upload a DNG on the iPad, but haven't tried on my Android phones. I use Fotos for the remote shutter, for GPS and time synch, and as an unofficial beta-tester tool to see what hangups I can generate when mixing on-camera and off-camera controls. I have always upgraded Fotos rather than erasing and installing a new one. Will I lose the ability to upload DNG and avoid the $50 if I erase and reinstall? Fotos problems are not confined to a single camera, yet not important enough or of wide enough interest to deserve a separate section. Maybe the moderators can pick one camera thread to own the discussion and post a redirect on the other cameras' sections. Edited January 23, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M10Alpine Posted January 23, 2020 Share #137  Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 12:33 AM, Jeff S said: My prediction is that the higher resolution that many seem to crave will prompt a lot of discussion from owners regarding use of vintage glass, as well as adding grain/noise, to achieve a more filmic rendering. Ironic. Jeff  This must be the essence of the decision making process for any buyer. Instinctively a newer model should Per C be better. But if better is originality and film feeling is that what we get with this new Monochrome? I don't like LR and I have no skills with it and nor do I have any time for post processing. I like to think that for 8200€ and 50mm APO I should be sufficiently covered with out of camera results. Is that naive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 23, 2020 Share #138  Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, M10Alpine said:  I like to think that for 8200€ and 50mm APO I should be sufficiently covered with out of camera results. Is that naive? After 35+ years making b/w prints, darkroom and digital, I can’t think of a final display print that I’ve made that didn’t involve at least some degree of refinement, big or small, for some technical and/or aesthetic reason.  That’s the nature of a fine b/w print, and why there are more talented photographers than printers. The Monochrom cameras specifically, with their large dynamic range, generally yield flat images out of camera (using DNG) that often require, at a minimum, some contrast curve adjustment. The money buys quality tools capable of producing superb results.  But the most important tools reside between the ears... a good eye and good judgment... otherwise we’d each produce similar results (even shooting the same subject) when using the same gear.  How boring that would be. Jeff Edited January 23, 2020 by Jeff S 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M10Alpine Posted January 23, 2020 Share #139  Posted January 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jeff S said: After 35+ years making b/w prints, darkroom and digital, I can’t think of a final display print that I’ve made that didn’t involve at least some degree of refinement, big or small, for some technical and/or aesthetic reason.  That’s the nature of a fine b/w print, and why there are more talented photographers than printers. The Monochrom cameras specifically, with their large dynamic range, generally yield flat images out of camera (using DNG) that often require, at a minimum, some contrast curve adjustment. The money buys quality tools capable of producing superb results.  But the most important tools reside between the ears... a good eye and good judgment... otherwise we’d each produce similar results (even shooting the same subject) when using the same gear.  How boring that would be. Jeff Thanks good points! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 23, 2020 Share #140  Posted January 23, 2020 10 hours ago, snooper said: This is a M10M thread, so not the proper space to discuss Fotos issues with the SL2, but in short, try to get the DNGs out of the camera straight to your iPad to be able to tweak them and share them from  LR (on iPad)... Fair enough. Just got my M10M and tried it out with my iPhone: DNG download works with free Fotos app. The only reason why you want to pay for Pro version is to access the iPad version and easier interaction with LR. (I have deleted and reinstalled my Fotos app before connecting with M10M)  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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