Saying so long to my CL

[lct]

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Could the way of setting a profile feel too complicated for some CL users?

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[nicci78]

RTFM 

Leica provides a tiny cheat sheet of paper explaining the basic of CL. 
Anybody should bother to take a look at the diagrams. Everything is explain : how dials works. How to change exposure comp.

It will take you 1 min of your life. And makes the CL easier to use. 
 

I know that soft buttons and dials are not for everybody. Hence the SL2 losing SL best assets : the four buttons layout. 
 

But it is the best way to setup the camera for anybody specific use, without using three dozens buttons and switches. 
Just buy labels if you need to remember anything specific. 
Ultimately, I think that these soft commands are the best way to train your memory skills. 😉

 

[Guest]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb albert:

I’ve never touched the wheels. Life is good. 

You will burn in hell, Brother Albert!

(= risk of being lost as a red-dot customer,
as you ?do?NOT?LOVE? ?to play with the wheels of your camera? ?AT ALL?!? And you feel good, even boast about it?!?)

Luckyly we‘re here to save your heretic soul   .

So you don‘t get near considering to ever take „photographs“ (DOH!) with those unmentionable objects one uses only for making calls or as a constant object of derision. 
 

Regards,

Simon 

 

[jaapv]

24 minutes ago, lct said:

Could the way of setting a profile feel too complicated for some CL users?

Hmm... You are probably right, but I struggle to see how Leica can simplify --> user profiles --> manage profiles --> save as profile even more.

[lct]

3 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Hmm... You are probably right, but I struggle to see how Leica can simplify --> user profiles --> manage profiles --> save as profile even more.

Each time we choose a setting we like, why not just pushing a button to save it directly into the current profile? Just an idea...

[Guest]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb lct:

Could the way of setting a profile feel too complicated for some CL users?

Is it more complicated than setting individual profiles on an M9?

[pebbles]

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As been said, the answer is to set your profiles. Then it is easy and very satisfying.

[jaapv]

3 hours ago, lct said:

Each time we choose a setting we like, why not just pushing a button to save it directly into the current profile? Just an idea...

How many settings are there, corresponding to how many pushes? Better to set all and then batch-save them.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, tri said:

Is it more complicated than setting individual profiles on an M9?

Only because there are more parameters to set.

[lct]

2 minutes ago, jaapv said:

How many settings are there, corresponding to how many pushes? Better to set all and then batch-save them.

One click only. Each time you want to save a setting you click once. Nothing else to do.

[jaapv]

Yes, but that is a lot of clicks when you are setting up the camera. It would work for on-the-fly changes that you want to make permanent.

[lct]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

Yes, but that is a lot of clicks when you are setting up the camera.

Not necessarily. Starting from the default or any other profile, we would click and the camera would save an "auto" profile automatically. Each new click would be stored in that same "auto" profile unless decided otherwise by the user. Other profiles could work the same way as they do currently. Please contact my agent for royalties .

[ramarren]

8 hours ago, jaapv said:

Everything on program and auto and push the shutter button. It will take robophotos like any P&S that way. 

I guess that presumes you have one of the TL or SL lenses. Might as well just LOCK ALL on all the control buttons and let the camera make all the decisions. 

if I'm going to do that, I'll just use my iPhone instead...  I don't own any AF lenses for the CL. 
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[Don Morley]

On 1/3/2020 at 8:57 PM, crawley5503 said:

First the background. I traded in my Fujifilm x Pro 2 for a CL. I have had other Leicas which I liked, so I thought the "upgrade"might be worth it.  I consider the two cameras to be very competitive and similar. On a recent out-of-town trip I was taking some pictures with the CL and needed to quickly adjust my exposure compensation. Which wheel? Where is it? I searched and turned and clawed at the unmarked wheels until I was almost out of breath (from cursing those who had written how intuitive this camera was...NOT) I then noticed that the camera was no longer in P mode but rather M.  And a few shots later it was in SCA or something.  Too small to actually decipher.  And still no direct access to exposure compensation. I wrote this all up to user error.

Last week on holiday, the same thing happened. Almost to a T. Then a new one jumped up.  Then camera told me it did not recognize my Lecia 18-56mm lens.  (The lens came with the camera and had been working properly for several weeks.)

I am beyond frustrated. Lucky for me I received an offer on an M 240 for a real steal... as well as a return to my Fujifilm x Pro2. I still dwell in the Leica camp with  VLUX 114, an ME 220 and now the M. But the CL is history. IT IS NOT INTUITIVE. Anybody tell you it is is scamming you.  It is a great camera.  I am sure of it. But I don;t know how to keep up with its settings in a workd where there is no definition as to left wheel and right wheel and no numbers to show me what the settings are. It reminds me of an Apple TV control device.  Way cool to look at, hard to use.

I so agree with you. There are cameras I enjoy using and sadly other cameras I have come to hate and for me the CL falls very firmly into the latter category, and for exactly the same problematic reasons as you have specified, though being bloody minded I have kept my CL outfit rather than let it beat me, but love it or like it? Sadly never. Don

[Le Chef]

I enjoy using my CL I have profile set up the way I want them, but occasionally forget what settings are part of that profile. Maybe I need one of those quarterback wrist thingies that tells them all the plays they might be asked to execute.

But I still miss the “WYSIWYG” controls of analogue cameras. 

I tried a couple of Fuji’s and felt they were too cluttered to be intuitive. Equally so various Sony’s. The Q/Q2 is brilliant but hampered by a fixed lens. The SL is too heavy and cumbersome for someone shooting for pleasure.

If the CL is not the “Goldilocks” solution, then what is? 

[Jonathan Hanson]

I bought a CL after becoming fed up with the absurd number of buttons and functions and menus on my Lumix GX8. I was tired of having to dive through three or four menu levels to find something simple. I always kept a full manual for the camera in the bag with it.

In sharp contrast, when I got the CL I barely needed the quick-start guide. Every time I wanted something I'd think, hmm, that should probably be here . . . and there it was. Yes, I have accidentally switched to the wrong program every now and then, but who hasn't done that on any camera?

[crawley5503]

Replaced with an M (Type 240).  Much easier to use and far more "intuitive". CL was a great experiment for me, as was the Q.  I loved the quality I got out of the CL, but in the long run, better to get the camera you are comfortable with, than fight the one you are not. Not Leica's fault.  It was my short comings as a shooter.  But I love the M. I love it in manual. I like having control. (My wife says that is a shortcoming in several parts of my life, but that is for a different time.)

[Viv]

I generally shoot DNG in Aperture Priority, with auto or manual focus, manual ISO, auto White Balance.

I have no difficulties in using the CL in this manner.

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[wda]

5 hours ago, crawley5503 said:

Replaced with an M (Type 240).  Much easier to use and far more "intuitive". CL was a great experiment for me, as was the Q.  I loved the quality I got out of the CL, but in the long run, better to get the camera you are comfortable with, than fight the one you are not. Not Leica's fault.  It was my short comings as a shooter.  But I love the M. I love it in manual. I like having control. (My wife says that is a shortcoming in several parts of my life, but that is for a different time.)

Thank you for updating us. Your thread generated useful discussion and clarified a few minds. Don't forget - user profiles are just as valid with your M240 camera. 

[ruskkyle]

After a year’s use with the CL I’m comfortable enough but a couple of quirks annoy me no end.

- switching between Aperture and Shutter priority (which I do often) swaps the location of Ex comp wheel and there is no override. WHY?!?

- accidentally swiping left to right on the touchscreen engages video mode. Incredibly pointless and annoying as 1) it’s far too easy to do and 2) video mode is terrible. Would love to be able to disengage this.