Thoughts on the Leica SL2 compared to the S1/S1R

[ron777]

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[nicci78]

On 12/1/2019 at 3:31 PM, Chaemono said:

What would be really nice is an SL2-P. 😁

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Wouldn’t it be nicer to only scrap off the LEICA white paint with a toothpick ? Instead of gaffer tape ? 

[Chaemono]

vor 19 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

Wouldn’t it be nicer to only scrap off the LEICA white paint with a toothpick ? Instead of gaffer tape ? 

Not sure it would work.  The tape looks worse in the pictures because the Summicrons are so sharp.  In reality, one has to look very closely to see it.  😁

[taosantamonica]

10 hours ago, Jeff S said:

I thought my friend said it was new, not refurbished (he may not have understood  the details), but apparently not.  Still, with lens included, that’s a heckuva bargain.

Jeff

i knew it was refurbished and yes it's still a good deal with the lens included especially with their return policy. I may return it but will have a couple of weeks to see how it works out for me and how much difference in use and image quality there is over my SL and to give me an idea of the SL2 sensor.  

[Mr.Q]

I handled the S1R at the store and I was pleasantly surprised. It feels a bit plasticky and gadgety, but I think the shooting experience is superior to the SL2. It handles better with a better control layout, and better usability with a tilt screen. And I love the magnified window when manual focusing. Killer feature imo.

It's mind-boggling to think that you could get two S1R's for less than the price of one SL2. You could keep the change or get one of them Kolari modded for M lenses.

 

[nicci78]

54 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

Not sure it would work.  The tape looks worse in the pictures because the Summicrons are so sharp.  In reality, one has to look very closely to see it.  😁

old M cameras used white model paint for the lettering. Which is very easy to scratch off with toothpick. It is also very easy to reapply : just fill the carved lettering with white model paint. Then wipe the excess off with a clean wet cloth. 

Don't know if Leica has upgrade the paint to something fancy, or if it is the same as before. You may ask your customer service beforehand.  

[Archiver]

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2 hours ago, Mr.Q said:

It's mind-boggling to think that you could get two S1R's for less than the price of one SL2. You could keep the change or get one of them Kolari modded for M lenses.

If we're talking about price in Australia, for the price of a SL2, I could get a Panasonic S1 + 24-105mm, a Panasonic G9 AND a GH5S, which would completely upgrade my work gear. As much as I liked the SL2 when I tried one at the Leica store a couple of weekends ago, that kind of economic factor cannot be ignored. If I was to get a L mount camera, I would have to get at least one good L mount lens as well, and at AUD $9900, the SL2 doesn't even come with a lens. Not everyone on this forum can comfortably afford to drop $10k on a body with no lens.

[Chaemono]

vor 42 Minuten schrieb Archiver:

Not everyone on this forum can comfortably afford to drop $10k on a body with no lens.

That’s why the L-mount alliance is so great.  It lowers the price point to get into the system and thereby broadens the TAM.  The really lucky ones are those that will be picking up the second hand SL2s in four years’ time. 

[Chaemono]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

old M cameras used white model paint for the lettering. Which is very easy to scratch off with toothpick. It is also very easy to reapply : just fill the carved lettering with white model paint. Then wipe the excess off with a clean wet cloth. 

Don't know if Leica has upgrade the paint to something fancy, or if it is the same as before. You may ask your customer service beforehand.  

Got it.  I still prefer the tape.  It gives me a bit of a clochard feeling as I roam the streets looking for things to photograph. 😁

[Archiver]

11 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

That’s why the L-mount alliance is so great.  It lowers the price point to get into the system and thereby broadens the TAM.  The really lucky ones are those that will be picking up the second hand SL2s in four years’ time. 

If the price drop on a secondhand SL2 is anything like the SL, I will (probably) happily pick up a nice SL2 for about AUD $4800 instead of today's $9900.

[SrMi]

Sean Reid has reviewed both S1R and SL2. Consider subscribing to his site if you are deciding between SL2 and S1R. After reading his reviews, you may decide to get both :-).

Edited December 3, 2019 by SrMi

[Tailwagger]

On 12/1/2019 at 3:36 PM, hotshew said:

Nothing a small strip of electrical tape own cure 🙂 And, yes, that's exactly what I am doing!

Not me. Old school...

Likely with a magic marker. Hate the look of tape and the glop. 

[thighslapper]

4 hours ago, SrMi said:

Sean Reid has reviewed both S1R and SL2. Consider subscribing to his site if you are deciding between SL2 and S1R. After reading his reviews, you may decided to get both :-).

I have both ...... and every intention of keeping and using both ....... excellent cameras that in many ways are complementary rather than competitors. 

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, thighslapper said:

I have both ...... and every intention of keeping and using both ....... excellent cameras that in many ways are complementary rather than competitors. 

And your reviews come without a subscription cost.  

Jeff

[John Black]

On 12/2/2019 at 4:55 PM, ron777 said:

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Not that it really matters, but they were not advertised as refurbs when the deal started -

 

 

[ron777]

Human error.

Edited December 5, 2019 by ron777

[SrMi]

If my reading of manuals is correct, Leica's L lenses with OIS can work in conjunction with IBIS only on SL2 (Dual IS). With S1R, one has to choose either OIS or IBIS, unless one is using Panasonic lenses. Is that correct? Does Dual IS work with SL2 and Panasonic lenses?

[Stuart Richardson]

I saw that S1R deal as well, and it is pretty incredible given what that camera can do. It threw a monkey wrench into my plans, and overall let me reevaluate what I was going to do. I have the S1 as well as the S006. I am still waiting for the S3, which would be the most natural evolution for me, given my 8 years as an S shooter. I had hoped the SL2 would add to the utility, particularly for video, I thought about getting one. Then the S1R comes along for 1800 dollars....I really like the S1, it is a superb camera. But I like the interface and handling of the SL2 better...also the longer long exposure (I do a lot of work at night) and the AF with S lenses. Still, that is a huge gap in price for things which are more "nice to have" than required. Even though the SL2 is quite reasonably priced for a Leica, it is still a huge amount of money. For example, I run a print studio and the new Epson P9500 is the same price...and it will make me money and pay itself off within a few months or less. The SL2 will not. For what I do, the best camera will be the S3 in combination with the S1 for video. The SL2 is a luxury "nice to have" camera. I know it is odd to refer to the SL2 as the luxury camera while talking about the S3, but honestly, the S series cameras have been my workhorses for 8 years....I ran my photo business off of them. The SL2 could replace it, but the S3 is the better replacement, even if that means gathering up every unused scrap of gear and selling it or trading it in to make it happen. The last thing I want to do is buy an expensive SL2 and then wish I had just waited a few months for the S3...in this context the S1R is even more of a outlier...it does not have the video capabilities of the S1, nor the Leica integration of the SL2, so it would just be a neither here nor there camera for me. I would go to the S006 for high resolution and stills, and the S1 for video or high ISO work.

Anyway, I know these choices are extremely personal...in some ways it is easier to hash it out here!

Edited December 6, 2019 by Stuart Richardson

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[FlashGordonPhotography]

7 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I saw that S1R deal as well, and it is pretty incredible given what that camera can do. It threw a monkey wrench into my plans, and overall let me reevaluate what I was going to do. I have the S1 as well as the S006. I am still waiting for the S3, which would be the most natural evolution for me, given my 8 years as an S shooter. I had hoped the SL2 would add to the utility, particularly for video, I thought about getting one. Then the S1R comes along for 1800 dollars....I really like the S1, it is a superb camera. But I like the interface and handling of the SL2 better...also the longer long exposure (I do a lot of work at night) and the AF with S lenses. Still, that is a huge gap in price for things which are more "nice to have" than required. Even though the SL2 is quite reasonably priced for a Leica, it is still a huge amount of money. For example, I run a print studio and the new Epson P9500 is the same price...and it will make me money and pay itself off within a few months or less. The SL2 will not. For what I do, the best camera will be the S3 in combination with the S1 for video. The SL2 is a luxury "nice to have" camera. I know it is odd to refer to the SL2 as the luxury camera while talking about the S3, but honestly, the S series cameras have been my workhorses for 8 years....I ran my photo business off of them. The SL2 could replace it, but the S3 is the better replacement, even if that means gathering up every unused scrap of gear and selling it or trading it in to make it happen. The last thing I want to do is buy an expensive SL2 and then wish I had just waited a few months for the S3...in this context the S1R is even more of a outlier...it does not have the video capabilities of the S1, nor the Leica integration of the SL2, so it would just be a neither here nor there camera for me. I would go to the S006 for high resolution and stills, and the S1 for video or high ISO work.

Anyway, I know these choices are extremely personal...in some ways it is easier to hash it out here!

Doesn't the SL get close to replacing the S1 you have as well? Maybe get rid of the S1 and get the SL2 for both jobs.

Personally, after nearly 30 years in the game I now require all my gear to be enjoyable to use as well as make me money. Otherwise I'd stick with Sony (vomits in my own mouth a little....). The S3 isn't coming in the next six months, by the look of things. There's plenty of time to utilise the SL2 and your S lenses to get ready for the S3 when it finally arrives.

Life is too short to make sensible choices all the time.

Gordon

[Stuart Richardson]

The biggest advantage of the S1 for me is the video, particularly at night, so in this respect the SL does not make sense. I suspect the S3 before six months, but we will see. The winter is a slower period for shooting for me, as the light is gone until around February (when the snowy winter shooting returns), the either camera will not get much use before then. We'll see what happens by then... I am certainly not solely focused on profitability...if so, I agree, I would be with Sony, Nikon or Fuji. I find I make better work with cameras that I enjoy using, regardless of technical superiority. That is another reason to wait on the S3...I would love an SL2 in the meantime, but I am struggling to justify the loss I will inevitably take if I buy one and try to turn it around in a few months...