Leica Product Announcement Nov 6, 2pm

[Patrickxyz]

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You don‘t outsource without giving clear instructions, don‘t you? In my view it is a bad decision by Leica, not by an unnamed design studio.

[jaapv]

Shouldn't one taste the pudding before condemning it?

[caissa]

What I heard until now looks very positive. All my major issues have been implemented (47 MP, USB power flexibility, IBIS and high-res mode and even optional LENR, even a faster processor and I like the bigger buffer very much). That is a big step up from SL. Everything else is not too important besides that.   GREAT !   I do not really care how big the step is compared to S1R, why should I ?

The Sony cameras are almost useless, when their buffer is full. Not even menu settings can be changed until the buffer is written back to sd cards, what a nuisance. So the SL was always "faster" in that regard. You can say that this is just a few dozen seconds, but sometimes they are the important seconds. And the SL2 has now an even bigger buffer, great again.

Edited November 6, 2019 by caissa

[dkCambridgeshire]

14 minutes ago, earleygallery said:

That's no excuse, they really should keep a common design for the 'user interface'. 

It's called 'progress' James … camera designs move forward … 'don't ya know'  

dunk 

[caissa]

Anout the missing GPS: It would be normal to take a SL as backup camera. So if you are in a new location, first (or afterwards) take a few reference shots with the SL (and GPS) and later this data can be transferred to the SL2 images. Looks like a normal work procedure for me (and saves power in the main camera).

Many do this with their mobile phone. Why complain about that ?

Edited November 6, 2019 by caissa

[rfunnell]

One thing that I really liked with the SL was the GPS it just worked it would be very disappointing if there isn't some option for acquiring GPS metadata on the new SL2.

Unfortunately I have never had any joy with the Q2 Leica Fotos GPS option by comparison.

One can only hope its still available.

 

[marcolinger]

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vor 9 Minuten schrieb rfunnell:

One thing that I really liked with the SL was the GPS it just worked it would be very disappointing if there isn't some option for acquiring GPS metadata on the new SL2.

Unfortunately I have never had any joy with the Q2 Leica Fotos GPS option by comparison.

One can only hope its still available.

 

GPS has gone, you have your phone with you and to use the leica photo app. 

[LocalHero1953]

16 minutes ago, caissa said:

Anout the missing GPS: It would be normal to take a SL as backup camera. So if you are in a new location, first (or afterwards) take a few reference shots with the SL (and GPS) and later this data can be transferred to the SL2 images. Looks like a normal work procedure for me (and saves power in the main camera).

Many do this with their mobile phone. Why complain about that ?

If I used GPS......for those occasions when I'd want to use it, I certainly wouldn't want to be carrying two SLs!

I wonder if this is a heat management measure: if the GPS circuits are on and processing data, it is probably contributing to heat, and therefore noise. Eliminating LENR and improving high ISO performance has probably been a result of a lot of other, unseen, actions as well.

[marcolinger]

vor 41 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

SL was developed in house by the professional business unit of Leica. 
SL2 is outsourced to an external Munich design studio.

That may explain the difference in the user interface choice. 

I don’t think so. The purpose is to have a unified user interface. Look at CL, Q2, ... all the same.

[scott kirkpatrick]

6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

If I used GPS......for those occasions when I'd want to use it, I certainly wouldn't want to be carrying two SLs!

I wonder if this is a heat management measure: if the GPS circuits are on and processing data, it is probably contributing to heat, and therefore noise. Eliminating LENR and improving high ISO performance has probably been a result of a lot of other, unseen, actions as well.

How about the fact that your phone simply does location quicker, and more accurately than a single-chip GPS in the camera, and spares leica from having to deal with the ugly complexity of firmware that knows abut country boundaries, etc.

[rfunnell]

How about the fact that your phone simply does location quicker, and more accurately than a single-chip GPS in the camera, and spares leica from having to deal with the ugly complexity of firmware that knows abut country boundaries, etc.

 

long as it works I will be happy with it.

The Q2 with Leica Foto's has never worked.

Edited November 6, 2019 by rfunnell

[jaapv]

http://www.gps4cam.com/

[scott kirkpatrick]

7 minutes ago, rfunnell said:

How about the fact that your phone simply does location quicker, and more accurately than a single-chip GPS in the camera, and spares leica from having to deal with the ugly complexity of firmware that knows abut country boundaries, etc.

 

long as it works I will be happy with it.

The Q2 with Leica Foto's has never worked.

I don't have a Q2, but did my testing with M10, SL (both built-in GPS) and S1R (using Panasonic's Lumix, which works fine and does la few things that Fotos hasn't stepped up to yet.)

[J12]

1 hour ago, nicci78 said:

SL was developed in house by the professional business unit of Leica. 
SL2 is outsourced to an external Munich design studio.

That may explain the difference in the user interface choice. 

I really like the uncompromising design of the original SL. Even if it does appear brutalist, the concept was clear as was the purposeful execution.

I very much like the all aluminum body, lack of labeling and 4 customizable buttons. It’s a camera that gets out of your way when shooting and lets you concentrate on the job in hand.

Yes it can be a heavy camera with certain lenses, but it feels very solid and instills a great deal of confidence.

Although just a simple styling cue the completely flat finish to the front of the body was also an unmistakable statement signifying the mirrorless nature of the SL.

The looks of the camera are all business and clearly say let's get to work!

Edited November 6, 2019 by J12

[MarkP]

15 hours ago, hoppyman said:

No event announced in Australia as yet for anyone who may be interested. One rumour suggested a bit later

Well if the Australian Leica stores can’t be bothered to organise an event timed with the international SL2 release with the rest of the world I won’t be buying it from them. 

[meerec]

8 minutes ago, MarkP said:

Well if the Australian Leica stores can’t be bothered to organise an event timed with the international SL2 release with the rest of the world I won’t be buying it from them. 

Kinda agree. Maybe they are waiting for Steve McCurry to be available to come down to QVB ... Where will you buy from? Cheaper too?

[LocalHero1953]

51 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

How about the fact that your phone simply does location quicker, and more accurately than a single-chip GPS in the camera, and spares leica from having to deal with the ugly complexity of firmware that knows abut country boundaries, etc.

As one of those who has never got Fotos working well with my SL, TL2 or CL (yes, Jaap, all with up to date firmware😉), I remain unconvinced about that solution. Fortunately, I don't need GPS.
But you could be right - especially if the SL2 works better with Fotos. 

[PeterGA]

Fantastic news in the specs for the SL2 !!  the battery half life of the SL has been extended by the continued use of the same battery in the SL2 - thanks Leica!

[sillbeers15]

4 hours ago, nicci78 said:

V-Lux & D-Lux cameras are fake Leica / real Panasonic. So they did not count. 

However I also think that Leica should unified its flash system with Panasonic and Olympus. 
m4/3 were more than just lens mount sharing. L-mount should follow this for a real system between all L-mount of Lumix, Sigma and Leica.

+1.

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[sillbeers15]

2 hours ago, Chaemono said:

Smart vs. Flexible AF.  

Leica SL2: Smart AF (autonomously selects AFs and AFc), AFs (picture taken only after successful focusing), AFc (picture can be taken at any time).

Lumix AFF: "Flexible" in the sense that it repeatedly checks to see if the subject is focus and if not, it attempts to refocus without assuming continuous movement - Think basketball. Again, you need to half-press the shutter button for focus to occur.

Sound like two different things to me.

There is more selection in AF sub menu over type of subject tracking and individually the parameters such as sensitivity can be adjusted.