WvE Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #81 Posted October 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 43 minutes ago, poli said: I have had an x-pro1 and enjoyed using it. The x-pro3 looks interesting. And I am sure it will be a better camera. I agree with many points in favor of the x-pro3 in this thread. What I fail to understand is why it has to be in the m10 section of this forum? There is also a thread in the general section Barnack’s bar about the x-pro3. Maybe move the discussion there? I merely dropped the ball here just to start a (heated) discussion if Leica should take a careful look at the Pro 3 for the future M11, that's all. But fine with me to move the thread elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianman Posted October 25, 2019 Share #82 Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, budjames said: The XPro2 is a unique camera with its hybrid viewfinder, however, I could never master zone focusing on this camera like I can on my M10. What was the issue? I know some of the Fujinon lenses do not have a DOF scale engraved on them but it is very clearly displayed in the VF. Edited October 25, 2019 by ianman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foto2021 Posted October 25, 2019 Share #83 Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 11:41 AM, indergaard said: You think the M11 should be bigger, thicker, boxier, have a lot more plasticky buttons, a worse viewfinder, a gimmicky film simulation (JPEG setting) screen, and have a crop sensor? Ok... I purchased the X-Pro1 at launch day. I did the same with the X-Pro2. And I've owned them side-by-side with the M9, MMv1, M240, M10 and M10-P, and, uh, there is no comparison. Especially when you slap a good lens on any of the M bodies. You can't get away from Fuji's sterile and digital look (by comparison). For the X-Pro3 to be remotely interesting it would need to be smaller and more streamlined than the M10. It is not. The Fuji is significantly larger and boxier, and has a smaller sensor, and a comparable battery. None of these Fuji's has ever been or will ever be a direct competitor to a true rangefinder camera anyway, so a direct comparison will always be flawed. When still digital photography was in its infancy, some referred to it as "still video". Having owned an XPro1 and X-Pro2, I have always felt that FujiFilm's X Series produces clean, bright images that perfectly live up to the term "still video". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 25, 2019 Share #84 Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 4:45 PM, evikne said: I've always thought of the M10's protruding lens mount as a bit of a "cheat" because the slimmer body comes at the expense of longer lenses. M8: 38,1mm M10: 35,9mm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/302461-fujis-x-pro3/?do=findComment&comment=3842065'>More sharing options...
evikne Posted October 25, 2019 Share #85 Posted October 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, J.Nordvik said: M8: 38,1mm M10: 35,9mm What I mean is that the lenses feel a little longer with the M10's protruding lens mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 25, 2019 Share #86 Posted October 25, 2019 Not really. The bottom plate is: M8: 35,7mm M10: 32,5mm The difference is 1.0mm. (I made some ugly scratches taking the picture above. Fuh) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 25, 2019 Share #87 Posted October 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The protruding mount means nothing to the length of the lens. The body got a little thinner. The flange to sensor measurement hasn’t changed in decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 25, 2019 Share #88 Posted October 25, 2019 I think Ernst means that the lenses feel physically longer (even though they aren't). Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 25, 2019 Share #89 Posted October 25, 2019 if you look at pictures of the cameras it looks like the mount is longer, but it really is not more than 1,0mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 25, 2019 Share #90 Posted October 25, 2019 About Fuji: A friend bought a new X100 around the same time as I bought my used M8, and for the same price I think. I did a comparison test with a 28mm Biogon, and the M8 was much better. Have not tried any Fuji since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 25, 2019 Share #91 Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, J.Nordvik said: (I made some ugly scratches taking the picture above. Fuh) I thought it was a bit of a silly thin to do when I saw your photo... especially as those dimensions are known. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Nordvik Posted October 26, 2019 Share #92 Posted October 26, 2019 Hello alcohol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted October 26, 2019 Share #93 Posted October 26, 2019 23 hours ago, WvE said: I merely dropped the ball here just to start a (heated) discussion if Leica should take a careful look at the Pro 3 for the future M11, that's all. But fine with me to move the thread elsewhere. Thanks WvE, I have enjoyed the discussion - as misplaced as it is here in the M10 forum. The bottom line is that had Fuji introduced the Xpro series with a full frame sensor, Leica would have had to take notice. Instead the Xpro remains a second tier sensor product that doesn't affect the number of new or used digital M's sold. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted October 26, 2019 Share #94 Posted October 26, 2019 Regardless of whether it is in the right place, this has been a most interesting and enjoyable discussion. I speak as one who uses both Leica and Fuji X gear. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted October 26, 2019 Share #95 Posted October 26, 2019 19 hours ago, J.Nordvik said: About Fuji: A friend bought a new X100 around the same time as I bought my used M8, and for the same price I think. I did a comparison test with a 28mm Biogon, and the M8 was much better. Have not tried any Fuji since. I owned the X100S, T and F. The form factor of the X100 is awesome and timeless yet the technology was state of the art as each model was introduced. Hopefully, the next version of the X100 will bring an improved lens along with other improvements. It is a great camera. However, for me it was made redundant when I acquired the Leica M10 and Summicron 35 ASPH lens. The Leica IQ is better in every way and worth the extra bulk, weight and cost. “Buy once, cry once!” Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted October 26, 2019 Share #96 Posted October 26, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 5:59 AM, ianman said: What was the issue? I know some of the Fujinon lenses do not have a DOF scale engraved on them but it is very clearly displayed in the VF. None of the Fuji XF 23, 35, or 50 f2 lenses have distance scales in the lens barrel. For me, the problem with zone focusing that this created was that I had look through the-viewfinder or EVF to set the focus. Leica does not have this issue. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted November 21, 2019 Share #97 Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) The most important factor for me is autofocus performance. If the X-Pro3's autofocus is good enough in failing light so that it matches scale-focusing-by-feel on a rangefinder, I'll definitely buy one. People on the Internet have said the AF on the X-Pro2 and X100F were fast enough for street "generally," but I didn't find that they were a match for scale focusing by feel (SFxF) when light was on the dim side. I don't really care about image quality, so I'd be fine with an M9-P. Edited November 21, 2019 by raizans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 21, 2019 Share #98 Posted November 21, 2019 If you want AF then I have to wonder why you are posting in the M10 forum? Leica M cameras are, thank heavens, MF. Some of us love MF and never want to have a computer decide our focal point. The late Terry O'Neill loved his 'handy Leica" for the ability to focus on what he wanted. He is sadly missed. Quick and easy suits some people. Terry O'Neill spent ages taking his glorious photos. God bless his memory! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2019 Share #99 Posted November 21, 2019 As the thread has very little to do with the M10 it has been moved out of the M10 forum. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPettigrew Posted November 23, 2019 Share #100 Posted November 23, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 10:54 AM, WvE said: Leica M's "competitor" is about to launch its new X-Pro 3. Looks like it has some interesting features which Leica better take a close look at before it releases the M11... The X-Pro and many other Fuji-X are really nice sweet cameras, no doubt here. I had some of them in the past and I loved them. But at the same time I don't think they can be considered as competitors to Leica-M. I can't even say they are in different leagues, they may be in the same league in terms of end result — given two different pictures you won't tell which is taken with Fuji-X and which with Leica-M. Or may be you will, but that's not certain. However we mainly choose and use Leica M for its rangefinder experience, minimalism and craftsmanship. And that's where it can't be compared. Starting from the quality of the font and typography on the camera body and down to a different sensor size and "everything for every man" kind of control layout — it's just not even similar. I don't think it can ever be a "one or another" kind of choice. If you can afford Leica and you like Fuji — you can have both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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