nicci78 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1121 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It depends. If you came from Q, Q2, CL or M10. It is a good thing. Way easier to learn. If you came from SL or S. It can be a huge drawback in usability. Leica has a way to overcome this, look at my Nikon picture. But not sure if it's good enough. If you work as @LocalHero1953, you are going from 11 direct functions from the back to only 6. Counting joystick and rear dial buttons You are going from 10 direct functions from right hand (counting all buttons except the left row) to only 7. Edited October 28, 2019 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 Hi nicci78, Take a look here "Vader" Certainly Isn't Any Prettier. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Exodies Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1122 Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: Does anyone have any idea what Leica could mean by “new milestone” in the SL2 announcement invitations that were sent out? Typo. They mean millstone; it’s heavy. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGA Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1123 Posted October 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: Your argument generalised FF vs MF comparison by using examples of two MF lightweight bodies. What about the rest of the MF bodies. Besides it is not just about weight. It is flexibility including the choice of lenses available for different photography application. Wo there cowboy - no need to get so aggressive! I'm not 'arguing' nor was I 'generalising' - my post was quite specific in response to your post.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1124 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Look at the grip, this little change makes the SL2 way better to handle than the SL is. It is finally made for human hands. This is for me the major improvement over good old SL. It will overcome the missing buttons issue. Add in all other improvements, the SL2 is way better than SL. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 28, 2019 by nicci78 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/301287-vader-certainly-isnt-any-prettier/?do=findComment&comment=3843439'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1125 Posted October 28, 2019 It’s curved. Hooray! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1126 Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chaemono said: It’s curved. Hooray! Yes, I know, it's AMAZING. This must definitely be the "milestone" everyone has been talking about 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1127 Posted October 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: Your argument generalised FF vs MF comparison by using examples of two MF lightweight bodies. What about the rest of the MF bodies. Besides it is not just about weight. It is flexibility including the choice of lenses available for different photography application. he compared to MF bodies that are in a similar price range as the SL was during its original release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1128 Posted October 28, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb mmx_2: Yes, I know, it's AMAZING. This must definitely be the "milestone" everyone has been talking about There’s lots of things. One of the big mysteries involves the sensor. The French testers weren’t allowed to keep the pictures they took with the SL2. They will be able to collect them only after the camera’s announcement next week. If you understand French you can read it on Summilux.net (user mic203, for example). They were told that the SL2 uses a modified Q2 sensor. They have no clue. 😂 BTW, I exclude Nicci from that bunch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1129 Posted October 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, frame-it said: he compared to MF bodies that are in a similar price range as the SL was during its original release Was there mentioned about price anywhere? If we are price sensitive, then we should not be here in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1130 Posted October 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: If we are price sensitive, then we should not be here in the first place. well tell that to the person who posted before in the right context..no point telling me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1131 Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, frame-it said: well tell that to the person who posted before in the right context..no point telling me I only see weight of body and lenses comparison. Where is the similar ‘price’ talked about? Are Fuji lenses priced similar to Leica lenses? Perhaps you can highlight what you see that I do not? Btw why are you giving answer instead of the author? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1132 Posted October 28, 2019 Regarding Fuji, the GFX 100 has PDAF and IBIS, and the GF lenses are superb and rather affordable. The system as a whole is probably cheaper than the SL. It could be a good alternative if you don't mind the size and weight. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1133 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: I only see weight of body and lenses comparison. Where is the similar ‘price’ talked about? Are Fuji lenses priced similar to Leica lenses? Perhaps you can highlight what you see that I do not? Btw why are you giving answer instead of the author? btw i thought you sold your SL in july.. Original SL price was around 7000, original GFX price was around 7000, and x1d a tad higher..i though that was obvious. anyways. moving on. Edited October 28, 2019 by frame-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxo Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1134 Posted October 28, 2019 vor 6 Stunden schrieb nicci78: It depends. If you came from Q, Q2, CL or M10. It is a good thing. Way easier to learn. If you came from SL or S. It can be a huge drawback in usability. Leica has a way to overcome this, look at my Nikon picture. But not sure if it's good enough. If you work as @LocalHero1953, you are going from 11 direct functions from the back to only 6. Counting joystick and rear dial buttons You are going from 10 direct functions from right hand (counting all buttons except the left row) to only 7. I hope the superior button layout of the original SL will not be changed by Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxo Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1135 Posted October 28, 2019 vor 7 Stunden schrieb sillbeers15: Is this a deal breaker? For me it could be a deal breaker. This could be the final drawback in addition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1136 Posted October 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, saxo said: I hope the superior button layout of the original SL will not be changed by Leica. The Nokishita pics seem legit and, if so, sorry... Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1137 Posted October 28, 2019 Easy to get used to any button layout on a Leica--after all, haptics is one of the things Leica does best. My original Q has 4 buttons. Then I got a CL which has 3--that's what's going to end up on the SL2. Took me a bit, but, now, Q layout seems old-fashioned and clunky, and much prefer the CL's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxo Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1138 Posted October 28, 2019 vor 8 Minuten schrieb Jeff S: The Nokishita pics seem legit and, if so, sorry... Jeff Ok, in my age, I don't want to step back and learn a inferior layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1139 Posted October 28, 2019 Assuming the Nokishita pics are accurate, the new SL has the three button major controls from the M10 and CL (although they seem to keep changing their sequence). Then there are four MORE little unlabelled buttons! The SL had only four (brought down from the S), and needed short and long presses to do all the menu diving to assign them roles. My hunch is that they won't be so fancy this time. Just assignable to single functions. I can easily live with that. More flexible than the CL, less confusing then the SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1140 Posted October 28, 2019 Three or four buttons, what's the difference? Just be good sports and hand over the money to Leica. As soon as SL2 is announced a new countdown to a next model will start all over again. A new model will be announced in approximately 4 years, probably with new updated button layout inspired by other models like future CL2, M11, Q3, etc. By 2023 there should be full range of L Summicrons starting from 21mm and maybe reaching 135mm on sale and maybe even a compatible Sigma lens longer than 280mm, one just need to live long enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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