ron777 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #101 Posted September 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, paul.bridges.3388 said: Doesn’t the Q2, same size as Q1, have IBIS? Not sure how we can conclude IBIS is missing. Or am I missing something ? The Q2 has OIS, as opposed to IBIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul.bridges.3388 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #102 Posted September 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, ron777 said: The Q2 has OIS, as opposed to IBIS. Ah, figured I must have missed something. Thanks!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasT Posted September 11, 2019 Share #103 Posted September 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Why not ? Didn’t Panasonic let Leica used its best tech to build the Q and the SL ? Two full frame cameras, more than three years before Lumix S1 and S1R seen the light of day. Panasonic just choose to go big with S1R. I am sure that they can do very small. Just look at tiny GM1 Hope you are correct. Nothing would please me more than to see an SL2 that is smaller / lighter and yet has IBIS. Its probably the only way I'm spending €6K+ to upgrade to this camera. Otherwise I'll just head out and take pictures and check back September 2023 when we'll be speculating about SL3. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 11, 2019 Share #104 Posted September 11, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb nicci78: Why not ? Didn’t Panasonic let Leica used its best tech to build the Q and the SL ? Two full frame cameras, more than three years before Lumix S1 and S1R seen the light of day. Panasonic just choose to go big with S1R. I am sure that they can do very small. Just look at tiny GM1 They are competing for the same FF L-mount users now. Would they still license better tech to Leica before they get to use it in their own FF cameras? It depends partly on the value creation, I guess, license proceeds vs. lost sales for S1R/S1 vs. L-mount becoming more widely accepted in the market. Still, for Panasonic success of its FF strategy is a priority. So, perhaps they won’t. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #105 Posted September 11, 2019 Don’t know the behind the scene deal between the three companies. There are more than just a mount sharing. May be Panasonic will share tech with Sigma also. Who knows? Panasonic and Leica are not direct competitors. Not the same customer nor the same price range. For example I will never buy a Panasonic again. I think that their UI does not fit me. And their emphasis on big and heavy, just disappoint me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 11, 2019 Share #106 Posted September 11, 2019 vor 2 Minuten schrieb nicci78: Panasonic and Leica are not direct competitors. Not the same customer nor the same price range. I can name seven users of this forum who bought an S1R/S1: thighslapper, Scott, Helge, Don, Robert, Tom, me. Looks like competition to me. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #107 Posted September 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) You can add me to the list of Leica leavers, having happily moved to the S1R. The weight and size difference is, IMO, insignificant, but the functional advantages of the S1R over the SL, and possibly the SL2 are momentous. So, yes, there is competition, and not only from the camera bodies. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 11, 2019 Share #108 Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Lenses? Yes. All the more reason for Leica to differentiate the tech inside the SL2 from the S1R. A lovely-to-use, tiny bit smaller me-too product won’t cut it this time, I’m afraid. Let’s see what Jono will have to say. 😁 Edited September 11, 2019 by Chaemono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 11, 2019 Share #109 Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Double post. Edited September 11, 2019 by Chaemono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #110 Posted September 11, 2019 You can count on me, not to buy any Panasonic. Especially not huge S1, S1R and S1H trio. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted September 11, 2019 Share #111 Posted September 11, 2019 Most will change their mind, once they have read Jono‘s review. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 11, 2019 Share #112 Posted September 11, 2019 As politics is not welcome on this forum discussing merits of SL2 vs S1R is surrogate for Brexit 😏 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiggiGun Posted September 11, 2019 Share #113 Posted September 11, 2019 Am 10.9.2019 um 11:44 schrieb nicci78: actually in last youtube interview with red dot camera, Dr Kaufmann gave us hints about SL2 using 3 buttons lay out in CL style. He just said, that they were thinking about it. Seems like, UI uniformity across the range is better for most customers. It is better from a software development point of view = less cost & more rapid deployment. SL2 = Q2 inside with multiple lens support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted September 11, 2019 Share #114 Posted September 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, mmradman said: As politics is not welcome on this forum discussing merits of SL2 vs S1R is surrogate for Brexit 😏 well Leica is German, but Panasonic is not British Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted September 11, 2019 Share #115 Posted September 11, 2019 There are folks that left for the feature-rich S1/R just like there are folks that left for the simple and ergonomic X1D. Leica can't make everyone happy, but I would think the majority of the existing customer base still shoots with a M and that's who they'd cater to. Leica has always been about the essentials. I'm sure the jack of all trades Lumix takes excellent photos but I'm not a Panasonic man at heart. Same with Sony, Canon, and Nikon. Those cameras would never make me happy. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted September 11, 2019 Share #116 Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: There are folks that left for the feature-rich S1/R just like there are folks that left for the simple and ergonomic X1D. Leica can't make everyone happy, but I would think the majority of the existing customer base still shoots with a M and that's who they'd cater to. Leica has always been about the essentials. I'm sure the jack of all trades Lumix takes excellent photos but I'm not a Panasonic man at heart. Same with Sony, Canon, and Nikon. Those cameras would never make me happy. Fully agree. I had the S1R since May and used it extensively on several safaris. I sold it earlier this week and have gone back to using my SL, couldn't be happier! I keep repeating this, it's not just about more megapixels. Simplicity, intuitive ease of use and image rendering are more important to me than the super sharp, clinical images that IMO Sony, Lumix etc. produce. Make no mistake technologically etc. they're great, I've tried them all and keep coming back to my Leicas. Edited September 11, 2019 by michali 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2019 Share #117 Posted September 11, 2019 Especially your wildlife work doesn't need tons of megapixels, Mike. I get more than excellent A3+ prints from a simple MFT (GX8) camera. You should try it - 800 mm equ. reach, five EV values stabilisation and "Leica"rendering of the 100-400 @ 20 MP gets me shots I would miss with the heavy stuff. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #118 Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, anickpick said: Most will change their mind, once they have read Jono‘s review. Sir, you erroneously equate many of us with lemmings. I fail to understand the undying loyalty many, such as yourself, have to a logo/brand. Most of us are dedicated to image acquisition and composition, regardless of the brand name stamped on the camera's head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted September 11, 2019 Share #119 Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: You can count on me, not to buy any Panasonic. Especially not huge S1, S1R and S1H trio. I guess you could say that the three cameras stacked together are "huge." But side by side, the S1R is not "huge" when compared to the current SL. Slightly larger, yes, but it is not gargantuan. Is it heavier? yes, but there are more goodies within. Here is a size comparison:https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/leica-sl-vs-panasonic-s1r Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted September 11, 2019 Share #120 Posted September 11, 2019 vor 7 Minuten schrieb ron777: Sir, you erroneously equate many of us with lemmings. Ron, I get the impression you always take things personally. He's not equating you with a lemming,...he means thighslapper, Don, Helge, Robert, Scott, Tom,...and, yes, me. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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