Leica APO summicron 50 SL vs Summilux 50 SL?

[tom0511]

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you can use the 50 M lens on both the Pana or the M, but not the SL lens on the M.

You might have decided different if your dog would not stay still for you when taking images  

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[Donzo98]

12 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

you can use the 50 M lens on both the Pana or the M, but not the SL lens on the M.

You might have decided different if your dog would not stay still for you when taking images  

That's not the M... it's the 50 APO SL

[Chaemono]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Donzo98:

@Chaemono Looks like you lost the bet... keeping the 50 APO SL 50 SL sold...

S1R + 50 APO SL @ F2.2

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Fine. She doesn’t look too happy, though. 😁

[nicci78]

On 9/8/2019 at 6:10 PM, Chaemono said:

Size difference, Leica 35mm APS-C vs. 50mm FF.

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Is it possible to get the same comparison with hoods mounted on ? Thanks in advanced. 

[helged]

On 9/8/2019 at 6:10 PM, Chaemono said:

Size difference, Leica 35mm APS-C vs. 50mm FF.

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Thanks. I belong to those liking the size of the SL Crons; they have a fine balance on the SL and Pana S-bodies. The 35 APS-C is also fine on the SL (cropped mode, clearly), but too large/unbalanced on the CL for my liking. 

[Chaemono]

vor 44 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

Is it possible to get the same comparison with hoods mounted on ? Thanks in advanced. 

Will do so over the weekend. 

vor 2 Minuten schrieb helged:

The 35 APS-C is also fine on the SL (cropped mode, clearly), but too large/unbalanced on the CL for my liking. 

CL with handgrip and thumb-rest feels like a mini SL with the 35 Summilux-TL. Without it I agree. 

[tom0511]

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb Donzo98:

That's not the M... it's the 50 APO SL

Sorry, I missunderstood. So you sell the Summilux SL and keep the Summicron SL?

I think the 50 Summicron SL is the perfect lens for the Sl size wise.

[Donzo98]

2 hours ago, tom0511 said:

Sorry, I missunderstood. So you sell the Summilux SL and keep the Summicron SL?

I think the 50 Summicron SL is the perfect lens for the Sl size wise.

Yes... Summilux SL was sold. 

[Chaemono]

Size difference, Leica 35mm APS-C vs. 50mm FF, now with the lens hood.

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[nicci78]

Thanks ! With hood on, the size difference is quite slim. 

Do you prefer the rubber focus ring of SL lens or the aluminium focus ring of TL lens ? 

Same question between full aluminium TL hood and plastic/aluminium SL hood. 

[Chaemono]

I prefer the rubber focus ring of the SL lenses and like their hoods more, too. They feel higher quality even though they are made of plastic. I’ve had to replace the TL lens hood twice because the inner plastic ring detached from the metal. Plus, the SL hoods are lighter.

[caissa]

Coming back to the title. All practical examples so far have shown no difference in IQ between Summilux and Summicron. So for me the Summilux is the better choice (at almost the same price). If I need a light lens for casual photography, the 2.8/45 is much easier to carry, also the 1.4/50 from Sigma is good value, even the adapted 1.8/50 STM is ok for me. (And I like the Summicron R 50.)

The Summicron 50 is a waste of time - I am actually waiting for a Summicron 28 (or 24). Last year Leica made several interesting lenses available (I bought all of them), this year only the two uninteresting 35 and 50, a lost year for me. Hopefully next year will be more interesting again (28, 24 and 21). And I hope they start earlier than this year.

I wonder what they will add next to their roadmap ...  I just hope that they will not fiddle around with the current rm and delay the 28 or 24.

The Q2 has already a fine 28mm lens and 47MP, for SL users both are still many months away. How stupid ! What a shitty planning ...    (or what a failure of a product manager ...).   Panasonic is currently the one able to fix the shortcomings of Leica (for high res and ibis and continuous power supply and LENR, etc.)

Edited September 15, 2019 by caissa

[Donzo98]

1 hour ago, caissa said:

Coming back to the title. All practical examples so far have shown no difference in IQ between Summilux and Summicron. So for me the Summilux is the better choice (at almost the same price). If I need a light lens for casual photography, the 2.8/45 is much easier to carry, also the 1.4/50 from Sigma is good value, even the adapted 1.8/50 STM is ok for me. (And I like the Summicron R 50.)

The Summicron 50 is a waste of time - I am actually waiting for a Summicron 28 (or 24). Last year Leica made several interesting lenses available (I bought all of them), this year only the two uninteresting 35 and 50, a lost year for me. Hopefully next year will be more interesting again (28, 24 and 21). And I hope they start earlier than this year.

I wonder what they will add next to their roadmap ...  I just hope that they will not fiddle around with the current rm and delay the 28 or 24.

The Q2 has already a fine 28mm lens and 47MP, for SL users both are still many months away. How stupid ! What a shitty planning ...    (or what a failure of a product manager ...).   Panasonic is currently the one able to fix the shortcomings of Leica (for high res and ibis and continuous power supply and LENR, etc.)

“The 50 APO SL is a waste”

That’s pretty harsh considering how many people were waiting for one  

I happen to love it...so much so, that i sold the 50 SL. The size and faster AF won me over.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Donzo98

[Fedro]

horses for courses .. I agree that the SL APO is a lovely lens - I tried a friend's version this weekend, it is stunning. But the SL 50 Lux is no slouch either and good to have choices 

I also wonder what else is coming down the pipeline and would love to see a lighter standard zoom, but I am not holding my breath ..

[Jay B]

1 hour ago, Donzo98 said:

“The 50 APO SL is a waste”

That’s pretty harsh considering how many people were waiting for one  

I happen to love it...so much so, that i sold the 50 SL. The size and faster AF won me over.

So did I.

[tom0511]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb caissa:

Coming back to the title. All practical examples so far have shown no difference in IQ between Summilux and Summicron. So for me the Summilux is the better choice (at almost the same price). If I need a light lens for casual photography, the 2.8/45 is much easier to carry, also the 1.4/50 from Sigma is good value, even the adapted 1.8/50 STM is ok for me. (And I like the Summicron R 50.)

The Summicron 50 is a waste of time - I am actually waiting for a Summicron 28 (or 24). Last year Leica made several interesting lenses available (I bought all of them), this year only the two uninteresting 35 and 50, a lost year for me. Hopefully next year will be more interesting again (28, 24 and 21). And I hope they start earlier than this year.

I wonder what they will add next to their roadmap ...  I just hope that they will not fiddle around with the current rm and delay the 28 or 24.

The Q2 has already a fine 28mm lens and 47MP, for SL users both are still many months away. How stupid ! What a shitty planning ...    (or what a failure of a product manager ...).   Panasonic is currently the one able to fix the shortcomings of Leica (for high res and ibis and continuous power supply and LENR, etc.)

I accept your opinion  but why should other people come to the same conclusion? Your opion is not everybodies opinion.

The 50 Apo-Summciron is - in my view and experience - a very very good fit for the SL. It is smaller and lighter than the Summilux without giving up the IQ. Plus it is much faster focusing. Even though I also wish for more lenses coming faster to the market, this doest make the 50 Summicron any better or worse.

So no- the 50 APO Summicron is not a waste of time, it just has come to late to the market, but now we have it.

 

[caissa]

This is repeating the same old stuff ....

Of course everybody is only stating his own opinion. So it is not necessary to repeat that again and again. This is simply a prerequisite of forum usage. 

And no need to stress that you accept my opinion, this is again good forum practice. Unless you want to hide between the lines that in reality you do not.

 

So I find your reply at least weird/disturbing. 

 

P.S. do you know what “for me” means ? Then read the text all over again and you will find it in several places. After all I find your answer rather unfriendly (in a well disguised way).  🤔

 

Back to the contents. The problem is priorities, not if they should produce a Summicron 50mm at all. And of course the qualities of the lens are not touched by that. And I never suggested anything like that. What a stupid idea. I wonder again where you got all the stuff that you read into the small note I wrote. I hate that style, putting senseless things into the mouth of a foreign person and then arguing that this is senseless. Why do you do that ?

You are a person with culture, so why do you use that bad style ? Do I really need to explain again what I really wrote ? This year is a loss of time FOR ME, because the lenses that have been released came very late and gave no new possibilities TO ME. Last year was the most productive, this year the worst FOR ME. Only Panasonic did anything substantial for the L-mount. Leica had a bad year (a weak season), but maybe they improve at the end with the announcement of the SL2.

And about the lens sizes, the size is ok for 75 and 90, albeit at the upper end. I use them daily. But for a 50 or a 35 the same size is strange and not really “state of the art”. And I am not enthusiastic about them. Yes the 75 and 90 are a good fit, but the 35 and 50 not so much. Just look at the oversized housing of the 50mm. (Yes, they are all exactly the same size, but still some are ok, others not really.  Sounds illogical, but photography is not logic. If two do the same thing ...  )

 

And don’t forget to add FOR ME after each of the sentences that you did not like.  🤓

Edited September 16, 2019 by caissa

[tom0511]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb caissa:

This is repeating the same old stuff ....

Of course everybody is only stating his own opinion. So it is not necessary to repeat that again and again. This is simply a prerequisite of forum usage. 

And no need to stress that you accept my opinion, this is again good forum practice. Unless you want to hide between the lines that in reality you do not.

 

So I find your reply at least weird/disturbing. 

 

P.S. do you know what “for me” means ? Then read the text all over again and you will find it in several places. After all I find your answer rather unfriendly (in a well disguised way).  🤔

 

Back to the contents. The problem is priorities, not if they should produce a Summicron 50mm at all. And of course the qualities of the lens are not touched by that. And I never suggested anything like that. What a stupid idea. I wonder again where you got all the stuff that you read into the small note I wrote. I hate that style, putting senseless things into the mouth of a foreign person and then arguing that this is senseless. Why do you do that ?

You are a person with culture, so why do you use that bad style ? Do I really need to explain again what I really wrote ? This year is a loss of time FOR ME, because the lenses that have been released came very late and gave no new possibilities TO ME. Last year was the most productive, this year the worst FOR ME. Only Panasonic did anything substantial for the L-mount. Leica had a bad year (a weak season), but maybe they improve at the end with the announcement of the SL2.

And about the lens sizes, the size is ok for 75 and 90, albeit at the upper end. I use them daily. But for a 50 or a 35 the same size is strange and not really “state of the art”. And I am not enthusiastic about them. Yes the 75 and 90 are a good fit, but the 35 and 50 not so much. Just look at the oversized housing of the 50mm. (Yes, they are all exactly the same size, but still some are ok, others not really.  Sounds illogical, but photography is not logic. If two do the same thing ...  )

 

And don’t forget to add FOR ME after each of the sentences that you did not like.  🤓

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by tom0511
I deleted, will rather exchange per PM because of topic

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[Chaemono]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb caissa:

Of course everybody is only stating his own opinion. So it is not necessary to repeat that again and again.

P.S. do you know what “for me” means ? Then read the text all over again and you will find it in several places. After all I find your answer rather unfriendly (in a well disguised way).  🤔

I wonder again where you got all the stuff that you read into the small note I wrote. I hate that style, putting senseless things into the mouth of a foreign person and then arguing that this is senseless. Why do you do that ?

You are a person with culture, so why do you use that bad style ? Do I really need to explain again what I really wrote ? 

And don’t forget to add FOR ME after each of the sentences that you did not like.  

You can be so thin-skinned sometimes. 

PS: I think Tom hates foreign persons posting in the international part of the forum. 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Chaemono

[Mr.Q]

While I don't completely agree with @caissa I understand the general premise.

I've also been puzzled by the size of the 35 and 50 Summicron's. To me the pinnacle of a Leica lens is the 50 APO-Summicron-M, and to a lesser extent the 35/1.4 FLE and 50/1.4 ASPH. Those lenses have been the gold standard for 35/50mm lenses while also being MUCH smaller than anything out there.  

As for the SL primes, I'm sure they're stellar optically, but have they broken new grounds? At that size and weight, there are equally impressive glass from other manufacturers. After demoing the 50/1.4 SL and 75/2 SL briefly, I saw nothing in the images to suggest that they're better than my XCD 80/1.9. As for the aforementioned M lenses, I'm keeping them because NOTHING can replace them, and they can be adapted to any MILC.