Datsch Posted July 3, 2021 Share #81 Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Hello everybody, as I'll never sell mine, you can add on the list serial 5150455 of 2016/09/12 https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/262069-i-love-my-m-d-262/?do=findComment&comment=3622269 Thanks for this @a.noctilux -- I am very surprised that your 5150xxx was made in 2016; I thought they were all made in 2018 ... Edited July 3, 2021 by Datsch Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted July 3, 2021 Share #82 Posted July 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Datsch said: ...I am very surprised that your 5150xxx was made in 2016; I thought they were all made in 2018 ... Apart from the one example you list in post #71 have you seen any other confirmation regarding 2018 dates for other 5150xxx bodies? Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 3, 2021 Share #83 Posted July 3, 2021 2 hours ago, pippy said: Apart from the one example you list in post #71 have you seen any other confirmation regarding 2018 dates for other 5150xxx bodies? Philip. No. On the other hand, I have just found some 517xxxx M10s from 2017 ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 3, 2021 Share #84 Posted July 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Datsch said: No........On the other hand, I have just found some 517xxxx M10s from 2017 ... Yes. I was wondering if the singular '2018' date for the 'rogue' M-D was somehow not quite correct and how any confirmation - in either way; for or against - might be forthcoming. Where did the date-information for the M-D in question appear and how reliable do you consider the source of this information to be? It doesn't fit-in with the pattern for the previous batches but, for some reason, it seems to be surprisingly difficult to find out reliable facts about production details/numbers of these cameras. On another tangent 1,500 would seem to be a nicely rounded figure for M-D production. Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 4, 2021 Share #85 Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, pippy said: Where did the date-information for the M-D in question appear and how reliable do you consider the source of this information to be? An advert from FotoGoertliz -- I was considering buying this camera at the time. Little trace left of the advert online now, only on piclick : LEICA M-D 262 10945 schwarz vom 28.06.18 FOTO-GÖRLITZ ... https://picclick.de › Foto & Camcorder › Digitalkameras LEICA M-D 262 10945 schwarz vom 28.06.18 FOTO-GÖRLITZ Ankauf+Verkauf - EUR 4.550,00. FOR SALE! Dies ist ein Angebot von FOTO-GÖRLITZ mit 1 Jahr ... I also have an image of the carton which I happened to save at the time, though back then I didn't save the image of the camera top plate as I tend to do now ...: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It looks like 2018 not 2016 to me even from this fuzzy image. The Fotogoerlitz employee would have typed in the advert with the actual box and other docs in front of them, presumably, something they must do all day as many of their ads feature the birthdate ... Edited July 4, 2021 by Datsch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It looks like 2018 not 2016 to me even from this fuzzy image. The Fotogoerlitz employee would have typed in the advert with the actual box and other docs in front of them, presumably, something they must do all day as many of their ads feature the birthdate ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297947-m-d-type-262-production-numbers/?do=findComment&comment=4231325'>More sharing options...
brunner Posted July 4, 2021 Share #86 Posted July 4, 2021 Mine reads 2018/12/06 for M-D 5150172 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 4, 2021 Share #87 Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 minutes ago, brunner said: Mine reads 2018/12/06 for M-D 5150172 Thanks @brunner that helps us make some sort of sense that 515xxxx were perhaps a batch from 2018 (so your camera is 2 years younger than most M-Ds). Even so there are indications that Leica's methodology for serial numbers is not time - linked, ie 5150177 just 5 numbers later than yours was dated 2018/06/28 which is 6 months .earlier. 🤔 I will not pull my hair out over this, there are clearly anomalies, no big deal really. I am however still curious about the 'singelton' batches 51502xx, 49871xx and 49988xx where we only have found so far one example out of the 100 presumably made in each batch. Perhaps the whole of those batches was for the Asian market? Or perhaps a full 100 units were not made for all batches? Edited July 4, 2021 by Datsch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy_action Posted July 4, 2021 Share #88 Posted July 4, 2021 Another small piece of the puzzle - my M-D 5150136 is dated 2016/22/08 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 5, 2021 Share #89 Posted July 5, 2021 8 hours ago, easy_action said: Another small piece of the puzzle - my M-D 5150136 is dated 2016/22/08 Thanks so much, @easy_action that has really put the cat amongst the pigeons 😄 ... so there really is a mix of 2018 and 2016 dates within some very close serial numbers ... I suppose we should remember that the point of this thread is to determine how many M-Ds were made. But their dates of birth is an interesting side track ... How about this as a working theory -- Engraving the serial number on the hot shoe and bolting it to the camera comes first. A batch or most likely several batches of M-Ds are produced on spec and, especially for the later serial numbers when they may not be selling like hot cakes, they are put into a cupboard. (What a cupboard that would be!). Then a message comes through, like 'Leica Tokyo/Miami/Berlin want an M-D sent out to them' and the technician grabs an empty box, reaches into the magic cupboard which is all jumbled full of shiny new M-Ds and picks one out (I like to imagine he or she has their eyes closed .. like a tombola ...) Going through all the necessary and of course thorough tests and inspections, they verify the unit as passing muster, and write up the test certificate and print out the labels and barcodes with that day's date. Hence the discrepancies in date-serialnumber order. Does that seem reasonable or likely? An M-D dated 2017 would thus be a possibility ... ?? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 5, 2021 Share #90 Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Datsch said: ...How about this as a working theory... Sounds very likely I would say, Datsch. As you have noticed in the cameras listed above 5150136 and ...177 come from August / June 2018 yet Arnaud's ...455 dates to Sept. 2016 but I'm guessing all bodies were manufactured at roughly the same period. Philip. Edited July 5, 2021 by pippy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 5, 2021 Share #91 Posted July 5, 2021 9 hours ago, easy_action said: Another small piece of the puzzle - my M-D 5150136 is dated 2016/22/08 @easy_action By the way, is that how it is printed on your box or certificate? "2016/22/08"? Because the labels we have seen so far are year/month/day .... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy_action Posted July 5, 2021 Share #92 Posted July 5, 2021 You're quite right! Thanks for pointing this out 🙏 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I think I mis-typed the date because I had been thinking about the date @brunner gave - if 2018/12/06 was in fact 2018/06/12, would that change anything? And while pontificating on that, I made exactly that mistake myself! Anyway, I have been enjoying this group effort to shed some light on this aspect of the M-D. It seems it is more 'limited' than some other so-called 'limited' editions. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I think I mis-typed the date because I had been thinking about the date @brunner gave - if 2018/12/06 was in fact 2018/06/12, would that change anything? And while pontificating on that, I made exactly that mistake myself! Anyway, I have been enjoying this group effort to shed some light on this aspect of the M-D. It seems it is more 'limited' than some other so-called 'limited' editions. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297947-m-d-type-262-production-numbers/?do=findComment&comment=4232216'>More sharing options...
brunner Posted July 5, 2021 Share #93 Posted July 5, 2021 vor 2 Stunden schrieb easy_action: You're quite right! Thanks for pointing this out 🙏 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I think I mis-typed the date because I had been thinking about the date @brunner gave - if 2018/12/06 was in fact 2018/06/12, would that change anything? And while pontificating on that, I made exactly that mistake myself! Anyway, I have been enjoying this group effort to shed some light on this aspect of the M-D. It seems it is more 'limited' than some other so-called 'limited' editions. Your are right! Its also "limited" in features😉, but I would rather call this liberating. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 5, 2021 Share #94 Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 12:36 PM, Datsch said: Thanks for this @a.noctilux -- I am very surprised that your 5150xxx was made in 2016; I thought they were all made in 2018 ... On 7/3/2021 at 12:36 PM, Datsch said: Thanks for this @a.noctilux -- I am very surprised that your 5150xxx was made in 2016; I thought they were all made in 2018 ... It was released in April 2016. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichke Posted July 6, 2021 Share #95 Posted July 6, 2021 Hello everybody, I'm so happy today, Santa came this morning and brought me N°4998795 (2016.05.25) It's a mint second hand coming from Germany and living now in Belgium. Battery is now fully charged, I have to go and practice with my first M 😊. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 6, 2021 Share #96 Posted July 6, 2021 Welcome here Pichke. Happy choice of this 'rare' M ! Can I ask if you want to share, the last/first file number (which we know can say the shutter count in the other thread) as L100 xxxx. or L10x xxxx . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted July 6, 2021 Share #97 Posted July 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Pichke said: Hello everybody, I'm so happy today, Santa came this morning and brought me N°4998795 (2016.05.25) It's a mint second hand coming from Germany and living now in Belgium. Battery is now fully charged, I have to go and practice with my first M 😊. Welcome! I got mine (also my first M) just last month so know a little about how you must feel 😄 Have fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pichke Posted July 6, 2021 Share #98 Posted July 6, 2021 Thank you for your kind words☺️. Et un merci tout particulier à Arnaud dont la gentillesse et la bienveillance dans les échanges, tant ici que sur Summilux.net ( http://www.summilux.net/index.php), m'ont conforté dans le bien fondé de cette idée si étrange pour certain d'acheter un appareil photo sans écran, sans menu, sans ..., sans... sans... And a special thank you to Arnaud whose kindness and benevolence in the exchanges, both here and on Summilux.net (http://www.summilux.net/index.php) have confirmed me in the merits of this idea so strange for some to buy a camera without screen, without menu, without..., without..., without... Regards, 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 7, 2021 Share #99 Posted July 7, 2021 On 7/5/2021 at 7:49 PM, jdlaing said: ...It was released in April 2016... I believe the surprise being referred to was that whilst a number of the 51501xx bodies are known to have come with paperwork dated to 2018 Arnaud's 'later-in-the-serial-number-range' 51504xx comes with paperwork dated to 2016. But, as has been mooted a couple of times, it is probably just that whilst the cameras were (probably) all manufactured in 2016 that doesn't mean they were all boxed-up that year and some bodies tested, boxed and shipped in 2018 could well have (and as it seems to be the case) serial numbers out-of-synch with the earlier releases. Philip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 7, 2021 Share #100 Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, pippy said: I believe the surprise being referred to was that whilst a number of the 51501xx bodies are known to have come with paperwork dated to 2018 Arnaud's 'later-in-the-serial-number-range' 51504xx comes with paperwork dated to 2016. But, as has been mooted a couple of times, it is probably just that whilst the cameras were (probably) all manufactured in 2016 that doesn't mean they were all boxed-up that year and some bodies tested, boxed and shipped in 2018 could well have (and as it seems to be the case) serial numbers out-of-synch with the earlier releases. Philip. Agreed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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