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newest: https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-new-panasonic-ff-camera-specs/#disqus_thread

 

$4k sounds about right if we ballpark a SL2 at $7k with the same sensor, if we extrapolate from the D-Lux 109 vs. LX100 

 

It'll be interesting seeing what the cheaper model does to CL sales. Of course, a very different form factor. 

 

all this is true and Peter has been completely shut out, or maybe, having been so burned on the C-M, Peter has planted all this information which he then denies the truth of, to reestablish his bona fides! (just kidding)

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I’m so pleased with the current SL performance with the 16-35 SVE, I honestly could care less what they introduce. I just want to see the promised lenses arrive in a timely fashion and an accurate road map for the system. Will we see a macro option? Tilt-shift? Wide angle primes such as 15, 18, 21 and 28 mm?

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m4/3 has a VERY thick sensor coverglass/sensor stack thickness such that nothing less than 50mm M mount gave useable results, so I can't see any lenses designed for m4/3 working usefully on a camera designed primarily for SL or TL lenses.

The Nikon Z cameras have an adapter that seems to give good operation of modern nikon lenses, plus auto diaphragm operation with MF F mount lenses, better than any dumb adapter for other evf cameras.

 

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Would auto diaphragm operation be useful with modern EVF cameras? I thought it might be useful with R lenses on the SL but I don’t see an issue with viewing at the shooting aperture when light for AF is not needed.

No problem with viewing, but I much prefer to focus at full aperture.

 

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No problem with viewing, but I much prefer to focus at full aperture.

 

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The more I think about it, it’s certainly easier to select the exact focus point with shallow DOF. Focusing at shooting aperture might make this more challenging.

 

At the same time it would avoid focus shift that is present in some lenses.

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The more I think about it, it’s certainly easier to select the exact focus point with shallow DOF. Focusing at shooting aperture might make this more challenging.

At the same time it would avoid focus shift that is present in some lenses.

 

Usual solution is focus zoom. Allows for nailing focus at working aperture down to f/8 at least and w/o darkening thanks to the EVF. Would be great if the expected Panny could do auto zoom the same way as Ms but i don't hold my breath. 

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Usual solution is focus zoom. Allows for nailing focus at working aperture down to f/8 at least and w/o darkening thanks to the EVF. Would be great if the expected Panny could do auto zoom the same way as Ms but i don't hold my breath.

Are you referring to auto-zoom when turning the manual focus ring? I would not use that feature. I use the zoom button when needed.

 

The M recognizes manual focus changes via the rangefinder coupling, which is not possible with non-native lenses that don’t have RF coupling or electronic communication with the camera body. I do think the camera could recognize focus changes via the associated contrast change at the sensor and then auto-zoom (similar to how you recognize what’s in focus with your eye) but I don’t know if any camera that can do this.

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No. On the contrary I am hoping the rumor of a common L mount is true as I see benefits as a consumer (but I am not keen in the other products unless convinced it is better).

I hope that Panasonic knocks it out of the park and that the SL2, scheduled for Photokina 2019 now in May, incorporates IBIS and Panasonic’s AF. The question will be what premium will be one willing to pay for the SL2 for better ergonomics and microlenses, assuming the sensor in the Panasonic bodies won’t have them. Economies of scale with Panasonic on sensor purchases could help Leica lower the SL2 price to below USD 6,000.
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I’m certain that the SL2 will have better AF now that the market feedback on the Panasonic G9 is positive. I’m not so concern on the pixel size as I’m certain it will be market comparable. I’m certain it will be priced at $7k or a little more cause Leica has figured out what $ it’s customers are willing to pay and will drop price later in mid life of its product life cycle. In body Stabilization would be welcome. Leica will certainly incorporate it if it appears in the FF Panasonic Mirrorless model. The other additional features are bonus to me. I have provisioned money aside for a while, Leica just have to produce the camera and for sure they have one customer for it.

Like I said earlier, I hope the L-mount becomes a common mount as the micro four thirds which share the same flash protocol. This economies of scale will hopefully attract a M lens AF adapter and strobe makers to offer TTL / HSS wireless options.

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I am really interested, if there will be some lenses usable on the SL and the CL without any restrictions from Sigma and Pana which are not available from Leica. I.e. a macro lens for the SL and a really long tele - including stabilizer. But I have doubts this will be the case. Will see.

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Can anyone comment on Panasonic's TTL, HSS and wireless flash capability? Is it proprietary? Is it compatible with Nikon/Canon/etc?

I guess whatever we get in this new camera could end up in the SL2 (and, eventually, other Leica bodies)

There is one presently for the micro four thirds common protocol. I was hopping the newcomers would adapt the current Leica flash protocol that will be shared.

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I am really interested, if there will be some lenses usable on the SL and the CL without any restrictions from Sigma and Pana which are not available from Leica. I.e. a macro lens for the SL and a really long tele - including stabilizer. But I have doubts this will be the case. Will see.

I was thinking in yr lines but decided against. With the micro four thirds cameras such as G9 with great AF and a 20 megapixels, the existing Pana-Leica 100-400 zoom equivalent to 800mm reach that is light enough to be hand held. Great for birds and sports. Why would I want a FF Mirrorless anymore. Unlike landscape and portrait shots which I still favor FF sensor.

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I was thinking in yr lines but decided against. With the micro four thirds cameras such as G9 with great AF and a 20 megapixels, the existing Pana-Leica 100-400 zoom equivalent to 800mm reach that is light enough to be hand held. Great for birds and sports. Why would I want a FF Mirrorless anymore. Unlike landscape and portrait shots which I still favor FF sensor.

Speaking as amateur I think long zoom for M43 may be good for hobby shooters at weekend or holiday but main tools of professional, mostly sport and event, photography are long and fast primes and some long also fast zooms like Nikon & Canon 180-400 f4 with built in 1.4TC for instance. 

 

Think of any major sporting event or big wedding (we have few of those in UK lately) and DSLR with long lens is the tool of choice.  If you are accredited to sit at some distance from actual action only long lens on proven workhorse camera will do. 

 

Whether M43 ever dethrones full frame as nature photographer tool of choice i am not sufficiently qualified to judge.  If i wanted maximum quality on a safari trip of a life time with current equipment i would go with 40-50Mp full frame sensor, on the other hand M43 provides convenience where luggage restrictions are imposed by air travel. 

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