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4 minutes ago, Xelor said:

As the advance lever (thumb rest) is getting polarising feedback and different opinions I don't understand why Leica hasn't made it removable. Would be easy with minimal cost in production - and the customer could decide to keep it or not when using the cam.

 

 

I guess from a usability standpoint, does it get in the way?  If not, that is probably why Leica did not make it removable...

Just as another thought, who would want to steal a camera with a film advance lever? No LCD on the back.  Looks like a film camera, might be good...

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Hey all,      I have been reading through this thread, the positives and negatives, and I wanted to weight in as I was extremely lucky to be able to get an M10-D on the day it was announced at my

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If Leica fits the M10 M-D with a totally non-functional lever, the churning sound audible in the streets of Wetzlar will be Oscar Barnack turning in his grave...

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I'm not. The problem is that, whether it has any other functionality or not, the 'wind-on' lever is a FAKE. Adding something which purports to have a function that it does not have to a high end camer

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vor 1 Minute schrieb Outdoorimages:

Just as another thought, who would want to steal a camera with a film advance lever? No LCD on the back.  Looks like a film camera, might be good...

The thief has to be fast - mainly just seeing the front of the cam. If he is able to identify it as a Leica he will steal it - no matter if there is a LCD at the back and a lever on the top...

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1 minute ago, Xelor said:

The thief has to be fast - mainly just seeing the front of the cam. If he is able to identify it as a Leica he will steal it - no matter if there is a LCD at the back and a lever on the top...

From my cold dead fingers...

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1 hour ago, Outdoorimages said:

So, with the MD 262, you could only set the exposure compensation and date/time in the firmware.  Then I believe the firmware was updated with a better power management.  There isn't much you can do with no LCD screen and only the viewfinder red LED. Also, the MD 262 did not produce JPEGs, only DNG files, so white balance didn't matter.  The single or continuous shutter release was in the on-off switch.

I don't know yet if the M10-D will have settings for continuous or not.

But, it would be infinitely easier to change settings with the phone app rather than setting up complex button pushes and LED readouts on the camera.  I would think there would not be many things that need changing.  In terms of flash, on all my bodies I choose curtain sync one time and forget about it.  So, I assume if I have the choice here it would be about as easy.

Otherwise, it seems the answer to any question about settings is, what did we used to do when cameras were fully manual film bodies?  That's probably what we do here.  Bracket all the time with the MD 262 and have gotten some great shots in really odd lighting... 

Guess you can tell by now I'm a fan... :)

 

Seems bazare to me that there is a perfectly good EVF to function for menus in conjunction with thumb wheel and additional top plate button for selection, and also for image playback but it has been blocked out.

If you could use EVF to change everything necessary in menu and to play back images,a functioning cocking lever or no lever at all then I would have considered buying this. I was excited with initial leakings for this reasons.

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1 hour ago, SMAL said:

The only time I use flash is, when I shoot the reception on a wedding and even there I stopped using it since I have ISO12800 with my Sonys. 

I like to keep the ambient instead of manipulating it. If the light doesn’t appeal to me, I search for better light and composition. It’s simply matter of taste and it’s not mine. 

A matter of tastes yes. I like using flash.

I especially do not like auto white balance. Lens profiles is important for correct imagery too. I need and want control of these parameters.

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vor 9 Minuten schrieb Dr No:

A matter of tastes yes. I like using flash.

I especially do not like auto white balance. Lens profiles is important for correct imagery too. I need and want control of these parameters.

I only shoot raw. So white balance is a non issue and can be changed in post non destructively. 

This all changes when you shoot only or mainly jpeg and own only uncoded lenses. I only own one uncoded lens and that‘s a Summicron-M 50/2 rigid, which barely needs lens correction.

As you see, for some this camera could be suited really well and for some (like you) it’s maybe better to stick with a M10 or M10-P.

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1 hour ago, SMAL said:

The only time I use flash is, when I shoot the reception on a wedding and even there I stopped using it since I have ISO12800 with my Sonys.

Oh, jeeze, weddings. Are they a new aesthetic?

 

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I have no clue what you are asking, thanks to my non native english! 

Vi ne komprenas la anglan

Aside: you know enough English to annoy, and you know it.

 

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2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Let's not get started on what GPS navigation has done for our sense of space and place.  I really miss driving back roads with the old DeLorme atlases.

I did a weeklong road trip this summer with paper maps and no GPS (I cheated maybe in one or two place). It was indeed a refreshing experience. Was able to relate to general geography and places so much better. 

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Reading the last few pages, I get the point of Leica's concept of the M10-D: Das Wesentliche has become the iPhone. (The other way to look at it is that the design of the iPhone itself is limited to essentials; that of M10-D, not so much.)

When the bulk of people think your latest product is a bad joke, you'd better think again. Some people like the idea of the winding lever, and don't see it as kitsch — we'll see what happens in the market.
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10 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

Reading the last few pages, I get the point of Leica's concept of the M10-D: Das Wesentliche has become the iPhone. (The other way to look at it is that the design of the iPhone itself is limited to essentials; that of M10-D, not so much.)

When the bulk of people think your latest product is a bad joke, you'd better think again. Some people like the idea of the winding lever, and don't see it as kitsch — we'll see what happens in the market.
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I think the valid comparison would be 3 years sales of M10-D compared to 3 years of MD 262... It is interesting that Leica made a second camera body of a very unique group of users.

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For those who have had the fortune of testing the camera before release, do you also shoot film Ms, and if so, does the non-winding thumb rest of the M10-D mess with your muscle memory, in that you try to wind it as if it were a film body after every shot? 

I must say it’s a little surprising to see Leica add wifi connectivity (or rather, chose to retain it) for this camera - seems to go against the grain of mimicking the film experience.

Of course there is a choice of not using it at all, but then we had the same choice with the other Ms with proper LCDs - we could choose not to use it (in fact for my M the preview is disabled), but see how well that turned out? :p

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33 minutes ago, reddawn said:

 I must say it’s a little surprising to see Leica add wifi connectivity (or rather, chose to retain it) for this camera - seems to go against the grain of mimicking the film experience.

I guess I'm not surprised that Leica added WIFI connectivity.  For me, taking the photograph without immediate feedback is what I have when shooting the MP's.  The difference here is that I can 'develop' the film a little faster here to see the image.  The Leica concept now of having one simple App rather than one for each camera makes that process much easier.  Also, I understand the M10-D has a 'wifi' button.  Previously, we had to take a photo of the LCD to connect.  Sounds like things got much easier.  This is good all the way around I think.

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