tom0511 Posted January 10, 2019 Share #101 Posted January 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Am 07.01.2019 um 16:33 schrieb Mark II: Here are two colour examples: can you tell which is film and which is digital? And would it really make a difference even if you could? (please excuse the subject matter/framing!) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For me hard to tell in this case. BUT: What does it tell us that you tried to reproduce the film look with digital postprocessing? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 Hi tom0511, Take a look here Only film. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted January 10, 2019 Share #102 Posted January 10, 2019 Limitations in art are important if our images reflect the specific limitations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 10, 2019 Share #103 Posted January 10, 2019 I love Both and at the time I have 3 cameras loaded with films (M6 /Blad / X-Pan ) and a Leica m8.2 ready to go as well. I always find it fun to take a film camera into the hand. Digital or Film they are both two concepts well fitting into photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 11, 2019 Share #104 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) On 1/7/2019 at 7:43 AM, Mark II said: And two crops of the two cable cars. I found the exercise a bit sobering, but still useful given that I will be without my M7 for some time while it is under repair... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! AH Barcelona! I can tell from your crop (but not from full pic since they are too small). Film grain is not uniform everywhere. For negative film the dark areas have less grain (see bottom surface of the car). Anyway the affect is minimal and doesn't matter in normal prints. However people do like film grain and that is why PP software do provide them. I agree that digital is more flexible this way. However, digital encourages people to go overboard with processing and I am kind of getting sick of heavily processed landscapes. I have been there myself. You can call it a backlash against digital but I do tend to like my film outcome even if they have less details and are grainy. Now color is a different beast. With digital I always struggled with sunset/sunrise sky and skin color. You can get it right but it is always struggle to me. With film I don't have to bother as long as I have the right film and plenty of light. Not to say that film is reflecting reality correctly (probably not), but it is just that I like the way I get from my Ektar and Portras. Edited January 11, 2019 by jmahto 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 11, 2019 Share #105 Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/7/2019 at 10:33 AM, Mark II said: Here are two colour examples: can you tell which is film and which is digital? And would it really make a difference even if you could? (please excuse the subject matter/framing!) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, which one is film and which one is from digital: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 11, 2019 Share #106 Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ko.Fe. said: Yes, which one is film and which one is from digital: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nothing I can't replicate with pencil and paper! Seriously, I won't bother about the question. I simply like it. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 11, 2019 Share #107 Posted January 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Both digi i reckon. Nice impressionistic stuff though however made. ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 11, 2019 Share #108 Posted January 11, 2019 Ahhh - wonderful! 196 years of photographic advancement and learning, down the drain.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photography#/media/File:View_from_the_Window_at_Le_Gras,_Joseph_Nicéphore_Niépce.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 11, 2019 Share #109 Posted January 11, 2019 The top B&W is likely film, unless there is now a plug-in to mimic development surging from sprocket holes. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted January 11, 2019 Share #110 Posted January 11, 2019 22 hours ago, tom0511 said: For me hard to tell in this case. BUT: What does it tell us that you tried to reproduce the film look with digital postprocessing? I have been investigating colour film for a new project that would mix 80's style shots (hence the Gold 200) with modern cell-phone images. However, with the M7 in need of a full service I wanted to understand if it was worth waiting, finding another camera, or whether I should just go ahead and shoot on digital and process as if it was film. I am still undecided, but may end up going the digital route mainly because I do not really like the colours from the Gold 200 - and my usual colour films (Ektar and Portra) look too modern compared to actual scans of films I took in the 80's. The main reason for avoiding digital would be "authenticity", but if no one can tell then what does that mean anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 11, 2019 Share #111 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark II said: The main reason for avoiding digital would be "authenticity", but if no one can tell then what does that mean anyway? Good question. We might have to hash-out what we mean by "authenticity" but later. If no one can tell on a monitor or print, then the answer is itself. It does not matter. No? Edited January 11, 2019 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted January 12, 2019 Share #112 Posted January 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Mark II said: I have been investigating colour film for a new project that would mix 80's style shots (hence the Gold 200) with modern cell-phone images. However, with the M7 in need of a full service I wanted to understand if it was worth waiting, finding another camera, or whether I should just go ahead and shoot on digital and process as if it was film. I am still undecided, but may end up going the digital route mainly because I do not really like the colours from the Gold 200 - and my usual colour films (Ektar and Portra) look too modern compared to actual scans of films I took in the 80's. The main reason for avoiding digital would be "authenticity", but if no one can tell then what does that mean anyway? I prefer the look of Ultramax 400 (same as Gold 400? I don’t know). Nice old school color palette and just the right amount of grain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 12, 2019 Share #113 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Mark II said: I have been investigating colour film for a new project that would mix 80's style shots (hence the Gold 200) with modern cell-phone images. However, with the M7 in need of a full service I wanted to understand if it was worth waiting, finding another camera, or whether I should just go ahead and shoot on digital and process as if it was film. I am still undecided, but may end up going the digital route mainly because I do not really like the colours from the Gold 200 - and my usual colour films (Ektar and Portra) look too modern compared to actual scans of films I took in the 80's. The main reason for avoiding digital would be "authenticity", but if no one can tell then what does that mean anyway? Current Gold 200 is iteration #8 or something. It has nothing to do with eighties. If you want to match eighties why not to use simple P&S or Lomo LC-A. You can't shoot digital and process as if it was film. This is why I use Gold 200. It is last C-41 film available off the shelf where I'm. ""No one can tell" is very personal. Some of us use film because we could feel the difference in the process . Kodak Gold 200. Non Leica RF and non Leica RF lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 12, 2019 by Ko.Fe. 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287312-only-film/?do=findComment&comment=3663377'>More sharing options...
adan Posted January 12, 2019 Share #114 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) I find it - amusing - that anyone would think film type - or even film vs. digital, would somehow imply some "decade." As if a decade had a "look" photographically. I think this mostly amounts to "fantasy nostalgia" - "fantasy" because it is nostalgia from people who possibly didn't even experience those decades. Here (over two posts) are four of my pictures, one each from the 1970s, the 1980s, the 1990s, and the 2000s. Let's see who can assign each one its correct decade - based on image characteristics (or anything else - one even includes a calendar). For extra credit, tell me if the "2000s" picture was film or digital. For extra-extra credit, identify the films used. Picture W Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture X Edited January 12, 2019 by adan Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture X ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287312-only-film/?do=findComment&comment=3663424'>More sharing options...
adan Posted January 12, 2019 Share #115 Posted January 12, 2019 Picture Y Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture Z Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture Z ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287312-only-film/?do=findComment&comment=3663427'>More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 12, 2019 Share #116 Posted January 12, 2019 Y is film. For more obvious than film reasons. :). Not my photo, could you tell me which decade? https://rangefinder.ru/glr/showphoto.php/photo/114518/ppuser/5299/cat/500 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 12, 2019 Share #117 Posted January 12, 2019 No - which is exactly my point. Could have been 1980s (or 1960s), could have been last week. Could be iPhone with grain and other manipulations added (although probably not - DoF is natural-looking). It is "dated" 2018 - but that may just be the scanning date, or the posting date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 12, 2019 Share #118 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, adan said: Could be iPhone with grain and other manipulations added (although probably not - DoF is natural-looking). Main reason why I stuck with film is because, no iPhone could do, not even Monochrome. BW film is different. I'd rather take color on digital CCD and low ISO, instead of crappy (IMO) Fuji Film, but here is no alternative for BW film. Emulation, for sure, but still different. Hey, are you looking via phone? Because if any picture is observed via phone or tablet, here is no point to have talks like this. I only look at pictures via desktop PC with dedicated graphic card. If I look at pictures on the phone, it is all Instagram to me. Edited January 12, 2019 by Ko.Fe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 12, 2019 Share #119 Posted January 12, 2019 Don't even own a phone.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 12, 2019 Share #120 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) .... deleted... can't be bothered Edited January 12, 2019 by ianman 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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