New S 008

[ZHNL]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

I have the 50mm II 100mm f2.2 and the 150mm f3 something. I’m concentrating the HC300mm for Ethiopia but haven’t made my mind up yet

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi, Neil,

 

Thanks for the reply. I have no doubt it has the best sensor out there but I personally am not familiar with their lens line up. A quick google search of their system show this:

https://fstoppers.com/originals/hasselblad-h6d-100c-comparison-review-full-frame-out-performs-medium-format-191500

I am sure modern 35mm high resolution system with best lens can/will give Leica S a serious run (from my personal evaluation) as well but hopefully Hasselblad's lens is not as bad as that review show. 

 

Michael

[Guest VVJ]

Hi, Neil,

 

Thanks for the reply. I have no doubt it has the best sensor out there but I personally am not familiar with their lens line up. A quick google search of their system show this:

https://fstoppers.com/originals/hasselblad-h6d-100c-comparison-review-full-frame-out-performs-medium-format-191500

I am sure modern 35mm high resolution system with best lens can/will give Leica S a serious run (from my personal evaluation) as well but hopefully Hasselblad's lens is not as bad as that review show. 

 

Michael

 

Written by an author with an agenda.  I very honestly wouldn't take it very seriously.

[Jeff S]

Ming Thein gave mixed reviews to some H lenses a couple of years ago...

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.mingthein.com/2016/04/29/mid-term-assessment-of-hasselblad-h-lenses/amp/

 

Jeff

[ZHNL]

Written by an author with an agenda. I very honestly wouldn't take it very seriously.

I don’t take the conclusion seriously for sure. My personal usage of S system taught me this is not a spec on sheet game.

 

I merely surprised to find out hasselblad lens they used perform at such a low standard that will not do justice otherwise outstanding sensor. Is it a bad copy?

[Guest VVJ]

I shot the 35mm, 80mm, 100mm, 120mm, 150mm, 210mm and 55-110mm on a H1/H2/H4x with a Phase One P30+ digital back.

 

I really had little to no complaints.  I even liked the 35mm which is often considered the weakest Hasselblad lens.

 

I can't comment on how they would perform with a 100MP sensor though...

[Guest]

I find the 3 Hasselblad lenses that I have work perfectly fine on my camera. The 100mm is the only orange dot lens. The other two are older lenses. As for my S lenses I fine they also work fine on my S007 body.

Fine as in I like the results, I’m not a pixel pooper or like to look at pie charts I just go out and take pictures and try my best to get the correct exposure in Camera so that when I get home a few clicks in ACR and I can print.

Neil

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Paul J]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

The H lenses are very good I have a lot of them. Even the zoom is a stellar performer. The Hasselblad 120 excellent, one of the strongest. The only off one was the original 50 but it has been replaced. AF on the H is really very good with TrueFocus. The viewfinder is quite shockingly big and bright in comparison - I think it's the best current medium format finder.

 

Speed wise the lenses are generally half a stop to a stop slower but the larger sensor makes up for that and the CMOS sensors can take the speed hit.

 

To give an idea:

H 100mm 2.2 is like a 78mm 1.7 on the S

H 150mm 3.2 is like a 116mm 2.5 on the S

H 80mm 2.8 is like a 62mm 2.2 on the S

H 120mm 4 is like a 93mm 3.1 on the S

 

I tried the S a while ago thinking I might switch from the H. I found the lens quality very nice but not significantly better. The main difference was resolution and I was underwhelmed by the S, not that it was bad, I'm just used to more. Like Neil says it's too much of a difference for a meaningful comparison, the sheer resolution makes for a significant jump. The S takes a very nice photo with nice rendering and good lenses in a familiar and convenient form. I still have an interest in the S3/008 but if it is 60MP I think it will be difficult to compete with the larger sensors and/or higher resolution in other offerings, H, X, XF etc. going forward into the future.

[ynp]

I find the 3 Hasselblad lenses that I have work perfectly fine on my camera. The 100mm is the only orange dot lens. The other two are older lenses. As for my S lenses I fine they also work fine on my S007 body.

Fine as in I like the results, I’m not a pixel pooper or like to look at pie charts I just go out and take pictures and try my best to get the correct exposure in Camera so that when I get home a few clicks in ACR and I can print.

Neil

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi Neil.

As the only person I know with both the Leica S and the newest Hasselblad Orange lens, do you know if the new H lenses work with your Leica oo7? I am not sure if you have the adapter. Thank you.

P. S.

I will ship you my adapter or bring it with me. I am curious ...

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Edited March 8, 2018 by ynp

[Paul J]

I could be wrong but I think the orange dot features of shutter speed work in conjunction with some trickery with the back. ie. the back acts like a rear curtain sort of thing.

 

I'm guessing but I think the lenses will function as normal H lenses on the S.

[Guest]

Hi Neil.

As the only person I know with both the Leica S and the newest Hasselblad Orange lens, do you know if the new H lenses work with your Leica oo7? I am not sure if you have the adapter. Thank you.

P. S.

I will ship you my adapter or bring it with me. I am curious ...

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

i don’t have the adapter. To be honest I don’t like adapters I like to take pictures the way the camera/lens was meant to be shot

Neil

[ynp]

I could be wrong but I think the orange dot features of shutter speed work in conjunction with some trickery with the back. ie. the back acts like a rear curtain sort of thing.

 

I'm guessing but I think the lenses will function as normal H lenses on the S.

I heard about the H lens firmware that works only the H bodies to shorten the shutter speed. But I want it to test it somehow. I have no access to the Orange lenses in my country and I have only the 50-110 zoom left, and its old

 

Yevgeny

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Edited March 8, 2018 by ynp

[ynp]

i don’t have the adapter. To be honest I don’t like adapters I like to take pictures the way the camera/lens was meant to be shot

Neil

Thank you and good luck on your photo trips.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Guest]

I heard about the H lens firmware that works only the H bodies to shorten the shutter speed. But I want it to test it somehow. I have no access to the Orange lenses in my country and I have only the 50-110 zoom left, and its old

 

Yevgeny

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yevgeny. Let’s get together the next time your in Phuket you can try my 100 when your over here

Neil

[Herr Barnack]

It'll take me that long to save up enough to buy it.

 

29018 does not convert precisely, but as best as I can figure it Stardate 29018 = January of the year 2800 A.D., or 782 years hence. 

 

If I tighten my belt, get a second job and save up relentlessly, I just might be able to afford an S 008 and one used lens by then. 

Edited March 9, 2018 by Herr Barnack

[ZHNL]

Paul and Neil, 

 

Thanks for the reply for Hasselblad system. I think S is not meant to compete with 54X40 sensor MF. It is much bigger, heavier and with other usability trade off. I bet it also way more nichier than S with much less customers. However, I agree if you are willing to take the weight and usability tradeoff, bigger sensor is always the way to go. 

 

For me, S could potentially replace my 35mm system to do everything from family to travel to landscape. (not reach that state yet given operation speed, sensor performance and lens speed limitation ) I personally don't need resolution more than 37M, as a prime shooter, I like/can stitch image if I want more resolution. 37M is more than plenty for shooting pleasure or even most pro. However, I will not deny for justifying a MF system, resolution is one of minimal requirements for the system to be successful.  

 

The S problem is not really resolution per say but 'value'. 8 years ago, S is sole player make the premium justifiable. Now, given 35mm system have already advanced so much and other MF system having slightly higher resolution with much cheaper lens (at 2~3K a piece), S become a hard sell. Not to mention the reliability and service issue.

 

I personally think for S008 to be successful:

  

• Sensor performance should be superior to 35mm system given their size advantage. (assume it has decent resolution)
• Usability should be much superior to other MF system offered such as X1D or Fuji GFX for its asking price $$$$$.  Given it is a SLR with OVF, there should be less speed constraints. Hopefully it can be as good as 35mm system 5 years ago such as 5D series or D800 series level in terms of operation speed and auto focusing performance. 
• Either cheaper or Smaller

Without any above, it will only serve existing customers who are happy with their S system as is or those who stayed that have paid way more than they could sell at current value. 

 

Michael

 

 

 PS: Keep in mind, I am aware that Leica is always a luxury brand that charging Premium for slightly performance advantage during above response. The question is how attractive the system is that customer are willing to spend more such as M system success. The current resale value of their system should have the answer for Leica management already I guess. 

 

 

 

The H lenses are very good I have a lot of them. Even the zoom is a stellar performer. The Hasselblad 120 excellent, one of the strongest. The only off one was the original 50 but it has been replaced. AF on the H is really very good with TrueFocus. The viewfinder is quite shockingly big and bright in comparison - I think it's the best current medium format finder.

Speed wise the lenses are generally half a stop to a stop slower but the larger sensor makes up for that and the CMOS sensors can take the speed hit.

To give an idea:
H 100mm 2.2 is like a 78mm 1.7 on the S
H 150mm 3.2 is like a 116mm 2.5 on the S
H 80mm 2.8 is like a 62mm 2.2 on the S
H 120mm 4 is like a 93mm 3.1 on the S

I tried the S a while ago thinking I might switch from the H. I found the lens quality very nice but not significantly better. The main difference was resolution and I was underwhelmed by the S, not that it was bad, I'm just used to more. Like Neil says it's too much of a difference for a meaningful comparison, the sheer resolution makes for a significant jump. The S takes a very nice photo with nice rendering and good lenses in a familiar and convenient form. I still have an interest in the S3/008 but if it is 60MP I think it will be difficult to compete with the larger sensors and/or higher resolution in other offerings, H, X, XF etc. going forward into the future.

Edited March 9, 2018 by ZHNL

[Guest]

Had a magical day today out shooting my H6D in a small Thai fishing village....... amazing with great late afternoon light

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I have 4 HC lenses. 24, 100, 150 and 210 which I use on the X1D, via the adaptor and the S007 via the adaptor. I can compare them directly with the S glass.

 

The *weakest* is the 100mm 2.2. It improves noticeably stopped down. By 2.8 it's great. By 3.5 it's brilliant. I use it at 2.2 often when shooting people as it just looks nice. Sometimes brutal detail isn't what I want.

 

The other 3 are very very good indeed. I think the 24 is as good as the Leica S24 I tested, although I didn't have them at the same time. The 150 is a favourite. I really like that lens. My 210 is new but the 1/800 version (last of that lot). It's a fine lens indeed. The rest are brand new. All of them out resolve the best I have in 35mm (A7R3 and GM glass). It's a small but noticeable improvement.

 

All 4 work great with AF on the S007. The only temptation is to get the s100mm which is special. Other than that the HC lenses don't make me want to spend the money on the S lenses.

 

I do prefer the S lenses though simply because of the way they draw.

 

I've had my X1D in 40 degrees Celsius and other times in 100% humidity. My S has been in torrential rain. I have no worries about the build or sealing of either camera.

 

Gordon

Edited March 14, 2018 by FlashGordonPhotography

[Guest VVJ]

The *weakest* is the 100mm 2.2. It improves noticeably stopped down. By 2.8 it's great. By 3.5 it's brilliant. I use it at 2.2 often when shooting people as it just looks nice. Sometimes brutal detail isn't what I want.

 

The 100mm at f2.2 will give you unique images when shooting people.  Who cares about benchmarks and landscape photography at that stage?

[RVB]

I have 4 HC lenses. 24, 100, 150 and 210 which I use on the X1D, via the adaptor and the S007 via the adaptor. I can compare them directly with the S glass.

 

The *weakest* is the 100mm 2.2. It improves noticeably stopped down. By 2.8 it's great. By 3.5 it's brilliant. I use it at 2.2 often when shooting people as it just looks nice. Sometimes brutal detail isn't what I want.

 

The other 3 are very very good indeed. I think the 24 is as good as the Leica S24 I tested, although I didn't have them at the same time. The 150 is a favourite. I really like that lens. My 210 is new but the 1/800 version (last of that lot). It's a fine lens indeed. The rest are brand new. All of them out resolve the best I have in 35mm (A7R3 and GM glass). It's a small but noticeable improvement.

 

All 4 work great with AF on the S007. The only temptation is to get the s100mm which is special. Other than that the HC lenses don't make me want to spend the money on the S lenses.

 

I do prefer the S lenses though simply because of the way they draw.

 

I've had my X1D in 40 degrees Celsius and other times in 100% humidity. My S has been in torrential rain. I have no worries about the build or sealing of either camera.

 

Gordon

 

 

"I think the 24 is as good as the Leica S24 I tested"  , I tested these lenses about a year ago and found the S24 had much better color correction, the HC lense had poor blacks at the edges,Phocus helped clean it up with its profiles but the S was imho a superior design.

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[kparseg]

"I think the 24 is as good as the Leica S24 I tested"  , I tested these lenses about a year ago and found the S24 had much better color correction, the HC lense had poor blacks at the edges,Phocus helped clean it up with its profiles but the S was imho a superior design.

24S is one of the very best lenses among any manufacturers.