S.Rolf Posted October 1, 2017 Share #321 Posted October 1, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) No mystery. Leicas are assembled by human beings, and, unlike robots, humans are random and inconsistent. Well, "if to error is Human" then Leica can simply trace it back to the Technician who assembled that part of the camera and take a closer look at how he/she is performing that task. If multiple Technicians are involved then either the ISO Assembly is extremely sensitive to this manufacturing operation OR, it's something else entirely. If I thought of this then you know Leica did long before me. I myself think it must be something else. Time will tell and the "mystery" will be solved. Something else to think about is that no double-failures have been reported here from those who have had theirs "fixed". Therefore I cannot help but think Leica knew how to fix it. Ergo, they know what caused the failure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted October 1, 2017 Share #322 Posted October 1, 2017 o·ver·think ˌōvərˈTHiNGk/Submit verb think about (something) too much or for too long. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted October 1, 2017 Share #323 Posted October 1, 2017 Yea, I guess so. Carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted October 2, 2017 Share #324 Posted October 2, 2017 The knob is difficult to raise into the change position, unintended or excessive force or rotational movement as the knob is being raised could also contribute to the failure of the component. Ive raised and lowered mine over a thousand times, and Im not gentle. If mine was going to fail, it would have failed a long time ago. BTW- the dial is quite easy to raise, proper technique is necessary by design. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted October 3, 2017 Share #325 Posted October 3, 2017 Ive raised and lowered mine over a thousand times, and Im not gentle. If mine was going to fail, it would have failed a long time ago. BTW- the dial is quite easy to raise, proper technique is necessary by design.What technique do you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted October 3, 2017 Share #326 Posted October 3, 2017 What technique do you use? 1- use my index finger and thumb (pinching the dial) to lift up from under the top or 2- use the tips of my index finger and middle finger to lift up from the ridge under the top cap Either way the dial pops up easily. I usually leave it up if I’m going to adjust it frequently. If I’m going to leave it on one setting for awhile I’ll immediately push it back down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 3, 2017 Share #327 Posted October 3, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think it would be much better if that dial would not be fixed at all. The exposure and the time dials are not fixed either. Mainly the dial ring I change quite often without reason. I still believe its better not to fix that ring. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesT Posted October 3, 2017 Share #328 Posted October 3, 2017 I returned my camera to Leica Manchester (UK) on 11th Sept as requested because of the faulty dial. They passed to Leica Germany. Today I received the repaired camera back with sensor cleaned, July firmware updated and rangefinder settings checked. That's just over 3 weeks. From Leica's reputation I thought it was going to be much longer. I'm happy. Can't recommend Leica Manchester enough. Great service from them since I placed my original order after the M10 announcement. Regards, Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted October 3, 2017 Share #329 Posted October 3, 2017 I think it would be much better if that dial would not be fixed at all. The exposure and the time dials are not fixed either. Mainly the dial ring I change quite often without reason. I still believe its better not to fix that ring. What do you mean? Do you mean not have the ability to push it down and lock it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 3, 2017 Share #330 Posted October 3, 2017 What do you mean? Do you mean not have the ability to push it down and lock it? Exactly. I have no need for locking the ISO dial. The others (aperture ring and exposure time knob) are not locked either. I like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted October 3, 2017 Share #331 Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Exactly. I have no need for locking the ISO dial. The others (aperture ring and exposure time knob) are not locked either. I like that.I'm glad it locks. Unlike the other dials, the strap is close to iif not touching the ISO dial so it could become moved easier than the others. Im definitely getting more comfortable in leaving it up if I am changing it a lot. I dig the dial. Edited October 3, 2017 by Reciprocity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
riswanc Posted October 3, 2017 Share #332 Posted October 3, 2017 It would have been great without locking feature I have been using m60 for the past years and quite happy with the iso dial mechanism Instagram @jakontil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verteidiger Posted October 4, 2017 Share #333 Posted October 4, 2017 I'm glad it locks. Unlike the other dials, the strap is close to iif not touching the ISO dial so it could become moved easier than the others. Im definitely getting more comfortable in leaving it up if I am changing it a lot. I dig the dial. In my opinion it was really perfect the way it worked with the M 9 1/2 (240): Tip the button on the left and choose the ISO-setting with the wheel on the right (which is still there!). I would not have minded one button more (four instead of three now) on the back of the M 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 4, 2017 Share #334 Posted October 4, 2017 I'm glad it locks. Unlike the other dials, the strap is close to iif not touching the ISO dial so it could become moved easier than the others. Im definitely getting more comfortable in leaving it up if I am changing it a lot. I dig the dial. Exactly, thats what I do too: I have the ISO dial ALWAYS up. FOR MEEEEE it makes no sense to have ot locked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted October 4, 2017 Share #335 Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) ....and then there's the ISO Dial on my MP Film camera. Still can't get it to move and it has no lock. Fortunately, I shoot ISO 100 film and that's where it's been since I bought it. Edited October 4, 2017 by S.Rolf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsmith45 Posted October 5, 2017 Share #336 Posted October 5, 2017 My M10 was very early production and the ISO dial quit working at some point. I do not know when it quit. I mostly used the Auto ISO, and that worked. I read this thread and decided it was time to get it fixed. I contacted Leica NJ and they took care of everything. I had it back in less than 2 weeks, and they also checked the rangefinder, etc. I was very impressed with the turnaround and service this time. The ISO dial works perfectly now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted October 5, 2017 Share #337 Posted October 5, 2017 My M10 was very early production and the ISO dial quit working at some point. I do not know when it quit. I mostly used the Auto ISO, and that worked. I read this thread and decided it was time to get it fixed. I contacted Leica NJ and they took care of everything. I had it back in less than 2 weeks, and they also checked the rangefinder, etc. I was very impressed with the turnaround and service this time. The ISO dial works perfectly now. Sigh...So again, if they can fix it, they know what the problem is. Right? Right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 5, 2017 Share #338 Posted October 5, 2017 Of course they know what the problem is. It would be weird if it were otherwise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted October 5, 2017 Share #339 Posted October 5, 2017 Of course they know what the problem is. It would be weird if it were otherwise...Well, that satisfied my curiosity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsmith45 Posted October 5, 2017 Share #340 Posted October 5, 2017 I agree that they know about the problem. They did not seem surprised when I told them my ISO dial was not working. Two years ago, I had a stuck shutter release on my M240. That took much longer to fix, and from the questions they asked, I do not think that was a common repair. I think it makes sense to use the ISO dial, and if it quits working, Leica is ready with a fix that is a quick turnaround. They even paid for the expedited shipping both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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