lct Posted April 25, 2017 Share #621 Posted April 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Lct, my M10 starts within more or less ONE second. With respect, that's what Leica used to say when i did my stopwatch tests on the M240. I found an average of two seconds then so i tend to be somewhat suspicious, sorry for that . http://tinyurl.com/m3jgngs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 25, 2017 Posted April 25, 2017 Hi lct, Take a look here M10? - Sorry, no!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bill Livingston Posted April 25, 2017 Share #622 Posted April 25, 2017 I did not start by challenging your post - see my #609. Your post immediately afterwards rather reinforced the point I had made, as I subsequently noted. I'm not sure what "the entire point" is that I have missed, unless you were being ironic. Yes, I accept that we have fundamentally different points of view. But I don't feel the need to denigrate yours by using the offensive terms that you did. I have no problem with those who don't want a camera that can always take shots with no delay on switch on or wake up, or who have work-arounds. YMMV, but I don't appreciate being told my mileage must match somebody else's. Which post of mine are you saying you 'did not start by challenging'? The post I made (in response to Eoin, with whom I was agreeing) was written as you posted your post. I saw the 'New Post' script come up as I was finishing writing it. Look at the times on them... a three minute difference. I wasn't responding to anything you said at all... I was writing my own post quite independently. The challenge came from you in response to my post... not the other way round. I'm perfectly happy for you to disagree with me... and if you feel its appropriate to accuse me of being 'intolerant' or having 'proved your point' (although I still fail to see how that was the case...) then fine. I think you responded to my post believing it was written in response, at least in part, to yours. Not at all. As far as the rest is concerned, the fact that some of us don't have an issue with start up times becoming an issue when using our cameras because we switch them on when we are using them... mine can be switched 'on' for hours - all you need to do is switch the 'Auto Power off' to 'Off" in the menu to allow this. I don't have live view on and as the display is off, the only thing drawing from the battery is the meter... and the battery in the M240P has such capacity that it really isn't an issue. So, if the camera is in use, I genuinely don't see how this is an issue for anyone. Its just a matter of setting the menu in a way that suits the way you use the camera and what your priorities are. And given I don't suggest to people how they should use their cameras, just explain how I use mine and that I don't have those same issues, I don't see what the problem is... If I'm exasperated by the comments that then follow... I think thats reasonable. And if that exasperation comes across as 'intolerant', then I suppose I will have to accept that is part of writing on here with people who, rather than listen and consider the points being made, choose to come out with the same comments as before... I suppose I will have to accept that not everyone listens and people DO have fixed views on how things are done and will probably always complain when a camera is designed in such a way that it doesn't automatically work in the way they prefer 'out of the box'. I prefer to think about how I like to use my camera and set it up to suit. Which is the point I think that was missed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 25, 2017 Share #623 Posted April 25, 2017 I fully understand the point you think I missed. I have nothing to add. Others are welcome to agree or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted April 25, 2017 Share #624 Posted April 25, 2017 I wish my wake up time was as quick as my camera's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted April 25, 2017 Share #625 Posted April 25, 2017 I'm just glad I wake everyday! One day it won't happen. I wonder if my creator will accept a warranty claim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 25, 2017 Share #626 Posted April 25, 2017 Caffeine helps in wake up time. Seriously, the wake up time of M240 never bothered me. I have gotten into the habit of tapping the shutter release if I am expecting to click. If I am not expecting to click then it is either hanging on my shoulder or in the bag, which takes far more than 2 second to pull out. (My camera switch is always on with auto review off and auto power off in 2 min. The battery lasts forever. I don't feel the need to manually switch off by turning physical switch. The only time I do that is while changing lens.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted April 25, 2017 Share #627 Posted April 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the M-P240, I reach for the camera and turn it on as I lift it to my eye. By the time I've composed and focused it's awake. With my SD card it takes about 0.5sec to switch on. Maybe if someone's camera is taking longer than that they should try another sd card. edit: see next post. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted April 25, 2017 Share #628 Posted April 25, 2017 Lct, my M10 starts within more or less ONE second. Up until a couple of moments ago, this is what I thought of mine, but if you try LCT's stopwatch trick I see mine first takes a photo somewhere between 1 and 2 secs after switching on. It is not the same time as the viewfinder details illuminating which is indeed about 0.5secs. It is still plenty quick enough for my needs. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 25, 2017 Share #629 Posted April 25, 2017 With M240 you can afford to have longer auto switch off time (up to 10min) and still have decent battery life. That will eliminate startup time issue for most usage. I did the following: - check battery status (it says 45% now) - Set auto switch off to 10min. - Randomly pick the camera and capture "imaginary decisive moments." - Check battery capacity after 30min. This is my longest attention span for this kind of test. .... I will post after 30mins.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 25, 2017 Share #630 Posted April 25, 2017 well.. searched and found this discussion on startup time for M240. Nothing new to add. I assume M10 will be similar story (but with reduced battery life). http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244567-leica-m240-battery-life-in-standby-mode/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted April 25, 2017 Share #631 Posted April 25, 2017 ... Well, I got busy and forgot that I have to report in 30minutes. I extended test to almost an hour, shot 24 "imaginary decisive" pictures, didn't miss a single one and lost 10% of M240 battery life (reduced from 45% to 35%). This is on par with how much M240 uses in an hour if kept continuously on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 10, 2017 Share #632 Posted July 10, 2017 Well I have mostly given up on Leica but am truly astonished and appalled that the diminutive TL2 has USB 3 and 4K and an HDMI port and the M has neither. Absolutely appalled they would remove such things that some very heavily invested users rely on but include them on the TL. All done to force users to buy the SL - not going to happen. I am forced to move on to other brands instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 10, 2017 Share #633 Posted July 10, 2017 I hope you find what you're looking for elsewhere and best of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 10, 2017 Share #634 Posted July 10, 2017 I hope Leica builds what you're looking for in future Ms (as M240's successor) and best of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 10, 2017 Share #635 Posted July 10, 2017 Thanks, I hope so too. I am holding on as long as I can but soon I will sell everything off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhicks Posted July 10, 2017 Share #636 Posted July 10, 2017 Thanks, I hope so too. I am holding on as long as I can but soon I will sell everything off. Can you give us a heads up as to what you'll sell? I'm considering getting into the market for a long lens or an MMII. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted July 11, 2017 Share #637 Posted July 11, 2017 ... the diminutive TL2 has USB 3 and 4K and an HDMI port and the M has neither... The TL is a modern DSLM like the SL too; they need this kind of stuff to compete! The M is a RF Camera, a very special niche without any competition. It seems that most people like it this way ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 11, 2017 Share #638 Posted July 11, 2017 The TL is a modern DSLM like the SL too; they need this kind of stuff to compete! The M is a RF Camera, a very special niche without any competition. It seems that most people like it this way ... Odd though. It's only a niche because most people don't like it this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 11, 2017 Share #639 Posted July 11, 2017 Odd though. It's only a niche because most people don't like it this way. Not sure that is a fact Peter. Certainly some don't like it that way. I think the reason Leica M's are a niche market has little to do with whatever those things are it doesn't have, except of course the M 'likers' don't want/need those things. All those electronic gizmo connections offer me nothing, so I guess that makes me a niche marketee, maybe. Happy in such a space. Just a simple soul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhicks Posted July 11, 2017 Share #640 Posted July 11, 2017 Odd though. It's only a niche because most people don't like it this way. The way you are casting the term "niche" in this sentence implies a negative meaning - at least the way I interpret it. "Niche" just means a smaller than usual segment. It's like a rear wheel drive, two seat vehicle capable of 400 hp. In that case it's just a product that serves a smaller than usual market of automobile buyers. Would it be more appealing if it were also capable of getting 60mpg? Perhaps, but it's not a product developed for the segment to which that attribute is appealing. Now, I'm no photographer. I'm just a guy who likes to take pretty pictures. However, it seems to me that there exists a segment of people for which this M product was consciously developed. Wishing it were something else may be natural and I don't begrudge people that. That said, recognize that by adding the things discussed in this thread would have meant appealing to a segment that is simply different from what it's been intended. Nothing more or less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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