vladik Posted January 22, 2017 Share #141 Posted January 22, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica Camera yesterday introduced the new Leica M10 which focusses even more on rangefinder photography. Question to the Leica M photographers: Is the Leica M10 tempting for you? Please vote above (choose the option which fits best to your opinion) And please comment below What's the decisive feature to order a Leica M10? Or what is the point not to buy it? A month ago I purchased a Fujifilm X-Pro2 after rejecting Leica T as an addition to my M240. Given what has been written about M10 (early days) I might keep my M for a while and then go for M11 as Erwin Putts is suggesting. However given what I use M for (landscape and nature) it might be in my case more logical to get a Fuji GFX 50S. I had two M9 the first one was a nothing but problems the second one M9-P produced excellent files and I do regret selling it now. Having said all that the M10 is very nice camera and I wish it all the very best. Then again given that I have a number of excellent M lenses the M10 is not completely out of contention. Decisions, decisions……. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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menos I M6 Posted January 22, 2017 Share #142 Posted January 22, 2017 What was so horrid about the M246? Everything that is wrong with the M240 is wrong with the M240 based M246 too. Tor starters: - size and weight - too big and heavy battery (I never needed a 1000 shot battery in a Leica M but am forced now to lug two of those around instead of the tiny, lightweight M8/9 batteries) - step back in acuity and tonality from the MM (I switched to a M246 when my MM sensor broke - a mistake I should have never made and am suffering the M246 ever since, eagerly waiting for a next MM or getting a MM back again) - horrid banding very early when working with ISO 1600 and 3200 files (the MM had pattern noise when pushing ISO3200+ files, the M246 files fall apart much earlier in the higher ISO range) - the higher resolution (24MP) just barely covers the lack in acuity the original MM has in spades, so it is a wash in detail - no real gains here - no more RAW based histogram - worse detail when pushing/ pulling files in shadow/highlights - button clutter and too big display for worse user interface - separation of scroll wheel and direction buttons make operating menus slower - illogical viewfinder display behavior when using EV (half pressing the shutter release will force EV value to display and only after a moment will shutter speed be displayed) - terrible ISO selection (another step backwards from the actually well done ISO menu in the M8 camera generation - this to me is the BIGGEST fix in the new M10 generation of cameras) … Yes, the list goes on. When the M240 was released and I handled a sample having used back then a M9 and MM, I absolutely hated the M240 for many of those reasons above - I did the MM - M246 swap not on free will but this was my only choice other than being without the camera until another trip back to Europe a few months later, hence I bit the bullet and lost my bet. Yes it is. The site has been hugely improved. The new Reidreviews site is fantastic - so much better than the old one ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 22, 2017 Share #143 Posted January 22, 2017 Deletion of the spirit level would irritate me. As someone who uses wide angle a lot more than long lenses and does a lot of travel photography, I have the spirit level turned on all the time on my M240 and SL. I even have a bubble level permanently on my Graflex 6 x 9 cm camera (80mm/f2.8 Tessar ). Sure you can straighten and crop in PS but then you may well lose part of the picture you want to keep. I hope that Leica bring back the level on the M11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2017 Share #144 Posted January 22, 2017 Identical, for all intents and purposes. Except that it is quite possible to scratch Gorilla Glass. I have two iPhones and one M240 to prove it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 22, 2017 Share #145 Posted January 22, 2017 I haven't added a screen protector to my M240, but it remains unscratched 3 years on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 22, 2017 Share #146 Posted January 22, 2017 Gorilla is so much superior that even screen protectors remain unscratched go figure. Just kidding . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchfriis Posted January 22, 2017 Share #147 Posted January 22, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) since i just got my m240 last nov, ill stick with that first and invest my money on lenses instead:) interested in the future mp version though:) I did excactly the same. Come from a M8 which I'll keep for its brilliant b/w files. Tried a M-E, but sold that quickly. So my second hand 240 will do me well hopefully for a long time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2017 Share #148 Posted January 22, 2017 I haven't added a screen protector to my M240, but it remains unscratched 3 years on. I wish... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted January 22, 2017 Share #149 Posted January 22, 2017 The M10 looks like a marvellous camera to me, with so many improvements over the M9 - but I'm going to wait. My three Ms have all been the P version - M9P, M240P for six weeks, and then back to the M9P - and I'll wait for the M10P too, I hope not for too long. I also want to make sure that I'm going to be at least as happy with the M10 files as I am with the M9's, which I love, and not repeat my experience with the 240 - from the little I've seen so far I think I'll be ok. Anyway, I need time to put lots of pennies in the Leica piggy bank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodrog Posted January 22, 2017 Share #150 Posted January 22, 2017 i ordered the M10 last Thursday as a second body to go with my m240. For me the return to the 'correct' body' depth was the kicker. The dimensions, even of the M9, annoyed me, and, though I like the improved usability of the 240, its bricklike dimensions annoy the c***out of me. I also never use video, so the back-to-basics approach suits me fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 22, 2017 Share #151 Posted January 22, 2017 Except that it is quite possible to scratch Gorilla Glass. I have two iPhones and one M240 to prove it... I don't know what you're doing, jaapv. I'm on my second iPhone (a 6, my 4S was before that). I bought the iPhone 4S shortly after they were released in 2011. I carry my phone with me all the time, in an open-faced holder, in my pocket with my car key, etc. Neither phone ever has ever had a scratch on the glass, despite being clumsily tossed across a room now and then. Neither has my SL a single mark on the LCD cover (also a Gorilla Glass) after a year and a quarter of constant use, unprotected. Gorilla glass isn't quite as hard as sapphire, but the differences are in the low single digit percentages on greater incidence of damage through scratching or shattering. In practical terms, they are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 22, 2017 Share #152 Posted January 22, 2017 The more I think about this, the more I really want the M10 viewfinder and sensor improvements ... but in an M-D camera, with no LCD and truly minimal settings/options. I find myself even wanting to sell off my M-P and buy a second M-D, for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittykat Posted January 22, 2017 Share #153 Posted January 22, 2017 I luv my MP240. I would luv to buy the M10, but I don't see the point. Amplifying the ISO range on the 24 mega pixel sensor is not enough of a compelling reason for me- I have the 35 Summilux and 0.95 Noctilux, and, I've never even used the 'PUSH 6400' on my MP. In a digital age, rich pixel density is an asset, as it allows the image to tolerate post processing manipulation. Most images presented on any number of the Leica FB groups have been subject to significant enhancements in post. And, I can't even tell the difference in the sensor behind the image after all the work that's been put into the image. In my opinion, a sensor upgrade offering higher pixel density would be meaningful, particularly, as there are compact digitals out there offering a higher pixel density, and higher burst. There's a mirrorless medium format out there in a similar price point. For myself, Leica's magic lies in its lenses- second to none. I might unload on more glass instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2017 Share #154 Posted January 22, 2017 I don't know what you're doing, jaapv. I'm on my second iPhone (a 6, my 4S was before that). I bought the iPhone 4S shortly after they were released in 2011. I carry my phone with me all the time, in an open-faced holder, in my pocket with my car key, etc. Neither phone ever has ever had a scratch on the glass, despite being clumsily tossed across a room now and then. Neither has my SL a single mark on the LCD cover (also a Gorilla Glass) after a year and a quarter of constant use, unprotected. Gorilla glass isn't quite as hard as sapphire, but the differences are in the low single digit percentages on greater incidence of damage through scratching or shattering. In practical terms, they are the same. It must be the loose diamonds I carry in my pocket Seriously, I did scratch both my iPhones and my M240... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladik Posted January 22, 2017 Share #155 Posted January 22, 2017 Deletion of the spirit level would irritate me. As someone who uses wide angle a lot more than long lenses and does a lot of travel photography, I have the spirit level turned on all the time on my M240 and SL. I even have a bubble level permanently on my Graflex 6 x 9 cm camera (80mm/f2.8 Tessar ). Sure you can straighten and crop in PS but then you may well lose part of the picture you want to keep. I hope that Leica bring back the level on the M11. In my case lack of level or artificial horizonte is the first black ball against the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 22, 2017 Share #156 Posted January 22, 2017 Quite interesting ISO comparison on Reid Reviews. Looks like M10 is doing better a bit at 6400 but all above this level is not usable as well as on M240. For me its very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexx Posted January 22, 2017 Share #157 Posted January 22, 2017 Once the colour noise reduction was engaged, it looked quite usable to me at 12500 - when you need it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted January 23, 2017 Share #158 Posted January 23, 2017 My M240 and MM are sufficient for the moment, but I'm interested and will look at it again. If a Monochrom, preferably M-D style were offered I definitely would be interested and barring other developments would get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted January 23, 2017 Share #159 Posted January 23, 2017 If they make an M-D version I'm all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 23, 2017 Share #160 Posted January 23, 2017 Quite interesting ISO comparison on Reid Reviews. Looks like M10 is doing better a bit at 6400 but all above this level is not usable as well as on M240. For me its very important. lab tests don't always reflect real life. Ive seen quite a few images at 10000 iso that look surprisingly good. 6400 looks amazing though...way better than 3200 on the M240 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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