pgk Posted December 19, 2016 Share #441 Posted December 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) smelt? As in Sand Smelt - small silvery fish which are a b****r to photograph 'cos you mostly see them at night and trying to get focus by torch light underwater is tricky to say the least. Last ones I got decent shots of were in Lough Hyne Marine Nature Reserve (under permit). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vikasmg Posted January 4, 2017 Share #442 Posted January 4, 2017 There seems to be an emerging consensus that there will be a new M some time in 2017, that it won't have many more (or any more?) pixels than the M-240, that it is bound to have a wider ISO range, and it may be slimmer and lighter. It's also rumoured that it won't have video, though it will have live-view and a better EVF (like the current Visoflex?). If this is the case, who's planning to get one? Me? I'm torn. My current pair of M240's perform impeccably so long as I don't bother with the add-on EVF - which has always been a disappointment. I've never had a real problem with the ISO range (though a base 50 like the SL would be attractive), I don't have a real problem with the size / weight, and I appreciate the video function for a small number of assignments where the client wants video interviews as part of the documentary process. Up until now I've found a matched pair of M's works best when I'm doing a job so I have wide / long focal lengths in play without having to swap lenses. Could I live with an M10 alongside an M-240? The questions pile up. Keep one M-240 and get a single M10? This could give me the best of both worlds, with the option to use a better EVF on one body for long/wide lenses if functionality is good. If I can afford it keep an M-240 and get a pair of M10s? As I've just decided I really don't like the SL and am selling the body + adaptors this may be financially possible... Skip the M10 all together and go on a long trip? It's a bit of a challenge - and unless the M10 is a really compelling offer it's still an open question for me. The transitions from M8 to M8.2 to M9 to M-240 offered real improvements on image quality and functionality. The 240 is going to be a very hard act to follow! Interested to hear how others plan to act. I'm going to arrange to have my M 240 stolen and use the insurance money to buy the new M ;-). If it's not enough money I will add a couple of lenses that I don't use very much into the package that will be stolen. - Vikas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 4, 2017 Share #443 Posted January 4, 2017 The truth is, it depends on whether I've bought a Hasselblad X1D by the time the new M is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted January 5, 2017 Share #444 Posted January 5, 2017 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oronet commander Posted January 5, 2017 Share #445 Posted January 5, 2017 I might buy one, but it all hangs on three musts: - The price must be on line with that of the last Ms - A good EVF must be available - I get a good price for my silver M9-P If not I can end up going the SL way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #446 Posted January 5, 2017 I'm going to arrange to have my M 240 stolen and use the insurance money to buy the new M ;-). If it's not enough money I will add a couple of lenses that I don't use very much into the package that will be stolen. - Vikas At this time of year think of others less fortunate than yourself. Offer it for stealing here - just tell us that your kitchen window will be left open on a particular date with the camera on the window sill - first come first served. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted January 5, 2017 Share #447 Posted January 5, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I say NO Until it arrives of course and jaapv gets one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2017 Share #448 Posted January 5, 2017 Jaapv had a look at his bank account and is not in a rush.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 5, 2017 Share #449 Posted January 5, 2017 If there was a new M it might cause me some problems, if they fulfilled my old proposal to offer two versions: one with traditional OVF and one with in built EVF. I really would not know which one to choose. I'd hope they have long delivery times like it was when the M9 was new, so I might have some time to consider. If there was only an OVF-Version, price would be my first concern. Then I'd look, how the sensor copes with some old problems like "red edges" and "italian flag". No new M without any significant improvements in this respect. Flexible focussing positions on the display would be obligatory as well. The quality of the additional EVF would be interesting though not my first concern. Last but not least: they must offer a "black chrome" version. My black paint M9 from 2010 doesn't look good, the "black chrome" M8, which is three years older looks much better. And I want my Bildfeldwählhebel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 5, 2017 Share #450 Posted January 5, 2017 My M9 is five and a half and going strong. I still really like it. I have held off getting a Typ 240 or the more minimalist Typ 262, but could be tempted by the new M10 (though I doubt that is what it will be called). Reasons are usability -- if it's easier more more accurate to focus -- and results -- more dynamic range, more accurate colors, better higher ISO performance. Live view would be useful sometimes, although not essential. Same size and shape (or, according to rumors, as slim as film Ms) would be welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 5, 2017 Share #451 Posted January 5, 2017 My M9 is five and a half and going strong. I still really like it. I have held off getting a Typ 240 or the more minimalist Typ 262, but could be tempted by the new M10 (though I doubt that is what it will be called). Reasons are usability -- if it's easier more more accurate to focus -- and results -- more dynamic range, more accurate colors, better higher ISO performance. Live view would be useful sometimes, although not essential. Same size and shape (or, according to rumors, as slim as film Ms) would be welcome. Do you not find that EVF is slow; disconcerting, disconnected to what is in front of the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredus Posted January 5, 2017 Share #452 Posted January 5, 2017 I would trade my M262 vs M10 if I see the following Slimmer. Comparable to analog M. Good trade price for my M262. That's it. The M262 is perfect as it is. I don't understand why people want an EVF. I mean, I get it. I have one on my X100S and it's wonderfully (!) useful. But an M is an M and I want the M experience I had with my film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 5, 2017 Share #453 Posted January 5, 2017 Do you not find that EVF is slow; disconcerting, disconnected to what is in front of the camera? No. I don't use mine very often on my 240 M-P, but when I do, it's functional, but yes, it's slow, but it extends the usefulness of the camera a little. However, if this is your experience with an EVF, then you are several years out of date and really, it's not a valid position to adopt any longer. Now... have you tried an SL? No? Then comment on EVF after you have experienced it. Quite a different matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 5, 2017 Share #454 Posted January 5, 2017 f ?N o.I don't use mine very often on my 240 M-P, but when I do, it's functional, but yes, it's slow, but it extends the usefulness of the camerva a little. However, if this is your experience with an EVF, then you are several years out of date and really, it's not a valid position to adopt any longer. Be still beating of me heart, am I out-of-date. No. Not! With EVF do you not find frame stuttering? Shifting light levels? A failing visual correspondence to real time light in the EVF compared to real life? Diminished brightness values of what is real in front of the camera? Can you view and focus with both eyes open? Or does your focus and framing slow to the extent of 40's LF press cameras? How spontaneous, really, are these factors to evince an advantage to optical OVF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #455 Posted January 6, 2017 Same kind of difference as between OVF and SLR except that the EVF provides wysiwyg display and allows for stop down focusing without obscuring the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 6, 2017 Share #456 Posted January 6, 2017 You could always use an accessory OVF for a nice uncluttered view! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 6, 2017 Share #457 Posted January 6, 2017 Same kind of difference as between OVF and SLR except that the EVF provides wysiwyg display and allows for stop down focusing without obscuring the viewfinder. Not in my experience. Viewing a purely optical presentation to a ground glass is profoundly faster, more accurate than having some kind of digital algorithm intervening. Maybe you have to have done that to understand. I swear that digital is making people stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 6, 2017 Share #458 Posted January 6, 2017 [...] I swear that digital is making people stupid. I swear you did not try a modern EVF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 6, 2017 Share #459 Posted January 6, 2017 I prefer an optical viewfinder most of the time... that's why I bought my M. But for those situations where it falls short... there is a better tool for the job. For you, it might be a different camera, for others, maybe they would like to add the option to view TTL with their current camera. In the case of the digital M, today it's an EVF... in the past, it was the old visoflex. You know all of this, so why take such a critical position when it clearly doesn't affect you? No wonder us Leica users get thought of as cantankerous old gits... when most of us are actually ok... some of the time anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted January 6, 2017 Share #460 Posted January 6, 2017 Count me in, especially if it's released in a "P" configuration with Sapphire screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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