Search the Community

[ I did not find a pertinent thread via forum search; if this is a duplicate question, please be so kind to provide a link, otherwise feel free to answer ] What adapters can be reliably used on the M10 for e.g. a classic LTM Elmar 50 mm in your experience? In older threads (pre M10), the three most widely recommended were - Original Leitz (50mm seems to be a bit scarce on the market) - Voigtländer - CameraQuest/ Rayqual (seem unavailable in Europe) The M10 has been reported to be more finicky with regard to 6 bit coding. Is it also more of a diva with regard to adapters? I have read the caveats about collapsing; now I am looking out for an adapter... Thanks, Mathias

Wie lange wird es wohl dauern, bis die "M10-P" ohne roten Punkt erscheinen wird ? 2Jahre?

I sold my M 240 and was planning on upgrading to the M 10 but just curious on what you guys think getting the SL versus the M 10? I've shot with the SL once, as great as a camera it is it's not a rangefinder which is why I love the M line, however I've found a good deal on a used one.

Those of you that have read the M10 raw file analysis thread will know that M10 DNGs have more baggage in them that is typically the case for a Leica DNG. I've put together a little app to clean them up, called DNG Cleaner (Mac only for the moment). For M10 DNGs this will remove: The full size image preview - that will save about 3MB The various Lightroom/Photoshop adjustments embedded in the XMP portion of the DNG - ISO dependent noise reduction settings, lens profiles, etc DNG cleaner will also optionally remove opcodes, and apply lossless compression. This isn't relevant to the M10, but in many other Leica cameras, e.g., the Q, the SL, etc, opcodes are used for lens correction. DNG Cleaner is what Sean Reid used to remove opcodes for his SL 50 review, which some of you will have seen. As ever, back up your files before using any app that is designed to modify them. Sandy

One of the marketing claims made by Leica for the M10 is that it has a "sharp sensor". This could mean no more than no low-pass filter is being used over the sensor, but that is also the case with other Leica cameras. There is also a suggestion that the new sensor is (even) better suited to the wider angle M lenses, which are not well matched to, e.g., Sony sensors (or the micro lenses that go over them). Does anyone have any evidence one way or the other on these points?

Die neue M10 Ein Traum wird wahr! Endlich wieder eine Leica M in der Hand zu halten, die die Bezeichnung M wirklich verdient, war für mich ein echtes Erlebnis. Keine digitale M hat mich bisher restlos überzeugen können auch wenn zuletzt mit der M 240 ein Standard erreicht war, den ich als Berufsfotograf durchaus als hervorragend bezeichnen würde. Es fehlte mir immer das, was die Verwendung einer M3 oder M6 (pre TTL) auch heute noch für mich ausmacht: Das ‚inspirative‘ Moment. Das erste, was mir auffiel, als ich die Kamera letztes Jahr im August dank Prof. Rohde in den USA testen durfte war, dass mein rechter Daumen sofort den Aufzugshebel suchte – eine Nachwirkung jahrelanger Arbeit mit Leicas M6. Und in der Tat ist der Aufzugshebel noch ein Feature, welches ich schmerzlich vermisse und ich empfehle Leica dringend! diesen bei der nächsten Generation auch wieder einzuführen einfach aus dem Grund, weil man damit das Verschluss-Aufzugsgeräusch besser kontrollieren kann, welches mich schon bei so mancher Aufnahme im Theater oder in der Kirche sehr gestört hat (obwohl natürlich auch diese Kamera schon von Haus aus extrem leise ist). Sehr erfreulich ist auch, dass die Fokussierung durch eine bessere Kantenmarkierung erheblich einfacher geworden ist. Die wesentlich deutlichere Erkennung lässt einen völlig vergessen, dass man keinen Autofokus zur Verfügung hat. Die Empfindlichkeitseinstellung hat jetzt einen separaten Platz auf der linken Oberseite der Kamera erhalten. Der Knopf dafür ist dort angebracht, wo zu Zeiten der M3 der herausziehbare Rückspulknopf angebracht war. Das wirkt auf mich etwas aufgesetzt und Retro. Außerdem erschließt sich mir nicht ganz der Sinn, wenn zusätzlich noch eine weitere Einstellmöglichkeit im Menü besteht. Allerdings ist die optische Wirkung dieser Anordnung nicht zu verachten und auch wer eher selten mit der „Auto“ –Einstellung arbeitet, wird es zu schätzen wissen, immer sofort bei zuhandnahme der Kamera zu wissen, welche ISO eingestellt ist. Schade - aber verständlich - ist, dass jetzt der Akku etwas kleiner ist als bei der M240. Schade deshalb, weil ich vermute, dass das zulasten der Ladekapazität geht, also der Akku schneller gewechselt werden muss – aber das ist ein zu verschmerzender Nachteil. Der Vollformatsensor, der in seiner Bauart (nicht der Größe) dem aus der aktuellen Leica S entsprechen soll, liefert exzellente 24 Mpx Bilder von hoher Dynamik und ist sehr Rauscharm (manchem wird hier vielleicht das Herz schwer, wenn er an alte Kodak TX 400 Bilder denkt, die ihren Zauber dem unverwechselbaren Korn verdankten). Hier muss jetzt die Empfindlichkeit ziemlich hochgeschraubt oder eben eine Postedit-Software eingesetzt werden. Mein Fazit: Die neue Leica M10 ist ein wunderbares Ergebnis deutscher Ingenieurskunst. Zumal, wenn man diese Kamera mit den legendären Leica Objektiven wie z.B. den Summiluxen 35 und 50 oder gar dem Apo-Summicron-M 50mm bestückt. Das Gehäuse hat jetzt zu seinen alten Dimensionen zurück gefunden und so mancher, der in den letzten Jahren gemault hat, dass die digitale M unhandlich geworden sei, wird sich jetzt wieder mit Gedanken an eine Neuanschaffung befassen. Auch der Verzicht auf die Videofunktion (trotz CMOS) bestätigt mir als Anwender, dass sich bei Leica die Erkenntnis durchsetzt, nur eine Beschränkung auf das Wesentliche wird die M in die Zukunft tragen. Überflüssige Spielereien und Knöpfchensalat, wie man es von anderen Herstellern gewohnt ist, sollten hier ein Tabu bleiben. Dass Leica mit der neuen M10 ein Meilenstein gelungen ist, steht für mich außer Frage und all jenen, die jetzt sagen, die Kamera sei für das, was sie kann viel zu teuer möchte ich sagen: Man kann auch mit anderen Kameras hervorragende Bilder machen. Die Leica M10 ist und bleibt nur ein Werkzeug, allerdings bringt sie als eine der ganz wenigen Kameras ein besonderes Kunststück zuwege: Sie inspiriert einen zu außergewöhnlichen Aufnahmen! Es würde mich in der Tat sehr interessieren, wie andere das Thema Aufzugshebel an der M (wie damals bei der EPSON-Leica R-D1) sehen. Und welche Meinungen es zum Fortbestand des Bodendeckels gibt. Tom Bergh

My short rant about new Leica M10 Just spent 3 weeks in Florida where i have seen a guy shooting one of those new Hasselblads that are around 40K$ like it is the AK47. When he was satisfied he drove off in his nice Bentley. Some people... I know I think would put it in better use just like this Leica, but money, right... And who knows, maybe his pics were awesome... So, about the Leica, it is so funny to hear all the talk (from the leica people) about the innovations they are basing their whole success, but in reality the only innovation was back in the beginning when Barnack designed first 35mm camera (please correct me if I am wrong). And in 1954. when they introduced the M3 as their first "rangefinder/viewfinder in one" that was something that Contax was making 20 years before (again, correct me if I am wrong, I think 1932.). Twenty years lol, what camera was popular in 1997.? 20 years from now? so... they do move slow, but somehow they do move good... They rely on high quality build, simple and effective design, longevity and posh assholes that enjoy thinking better of them selves if they buy the most expensive camera out there. I am kind of one foot in that grave lol. Just got the old M3 and was thinking about the M9 but I'll keep it at film so maybe M6, just for the fun of it... So, yeah, do you need the most expensive watch to know what time it is? Patek Philippe maybe? No, you don't, easy... But there are people in this world that do want more nicer, more unique, more fine crafted, more whatever and they keep the designers, the finest craftman and builders busy. Those people in a way push creative souls further in to the quest, science or art, technology or design. But i do believe that the artist, designer comes before the buyer, the buyer is the one that got charmed by artists work. Artist should not be charmed by money... Nor should anybody ever. But then again, guilty... Some people get their weddings shot by cheap semi pro photographers for 300$ and some people pay tens of thousands of bucks to be photographed by their favorite photographer, so why should it be different with photographers buying that gear that they desire?!?! But it is not about innovations as much as tweaking things the right way. This M10 is the best M so far for sure, as far as digital M's go. You just can't beat that viewfinder. No EVF is as good as the real thing. But remember the hype about Sony a7 series not so long ago, everybody was like, yeah, the 7s, the 7R, the 7R2, the 7S2 (they keep coming like bad movie sequels), the best ever, evf, new sony revolution and BS... For sure I got it, sold all my canon stuf that I had been using for 10 years, and yes, video is better, but everything else is crap, the screen is pealing of, the shit feels like a toy in a hand, that small iso wheel rotates by a slight breeze, and what... That very Sonys battery is pretty sure to die before this one in Leica, lol, but people are complaining how bad the Leica battery is. Do not worry, if the guy has 6500$ for a camera he will buy some extra batteries, really, he will... So, they (sony) made tons of money, as they should, and couple of years later most people think, man, that camera really isn't made to last, crappy, maybe I should sell it and buy Canon 6D or whatever, good workhorse and no pain in the ass while trying to figure the real colors. My pocket wizards could go to 1/8000 again, and where the fuck did that green cast come from, you f...in sony... What I am trying to say, maybe Leica is a bit behind of them all in one way, but on the other hand I really do not know a single person that went for a Leica and got disappointed, sold it and got back to whatever they were shooting... So manny guys bought every single new Nikon or Canon or Sony and sold it, but Leica was always a keeper. While Sony nervously makes new models, or new half products couple of times in a year, Leica keeps it cool and plays a longer game. Yes, I know, even those half products have so much more options, resolution, dynamic range and what not, but, most of that stuff never gets used... The thing is that most of the camera users are not professionals, the semi pro cameras can produce pretty pro pics, and even the pro photographers don't use all of the stuff that their cameras can do. More than 70% of a photo club that I visit went for Fuji, how about that. The image quality of Fuji can not be better even than the old Canon 5dmk2, and one is full frame and the other is not. So, that says people want smaller cameras, never mind the image quality and even forget that bokeh, they don't need that. So who is to say what people should buy, what people need, what people want in cameras, how important the FF is, how wonderful the dynamic range is and all that jazz (even a lot of leica m240 users complained about the dynamic range until they learned how to do the settings)... The market is constantly changing, there will be a new HYPE tomorrow, but M9 still has a price of 2500-3000 bucks nowadays, leicas that are 60 years old still go for 1000$ (not to mention the black ones lol) but my canon 5dmk2 went for a used bicycle and my Sony a7s will go for a lens or two, lol... That is just how it seems to me from "I don't get it but I do get it" point of view. Cheers, S btw. if I was buying a digital leica it would be Typ 262 M-D

I would love to know if Leica will bring a M10 Monochrom to the market What do you think? Will Leica do this? Kind Regards, Barend Jan

Letzte Vorbereitungen zur Vorstellung der LEICA M10 heute Abend im Leitz-Park, Wetzlar. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268345-live-berichterstattung-18-januar-ein-fest-der-fotografie/

HI everyone, I am seeking the advice and input from this expert group. I have been shooting the M10 without issue until 2 nights ago. I came home, imported by photos into adobe Lightroom, but the images are all improperly oriented. The landscape images are generally updside down, while portrait oriented shots are oriented as landscapes. I tried resetting the camera. I also tried taking the battery out, tried a new SD card, and finally tried another computer, a separate Lightroom, and ultimately iPhoto, with the problem being consistently reproducible. I had now issues downloading nearly 2000 images until this cropped up, and now it's a consistent problem. Has anybody else had this issue? Am I being ignorant to some setting in the camera or lightroom? I figured that since I am reproducing this accross computers and via different software, it's a camera issue. Your thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated in advance.

Leica Camera behauptet, bei der neuen Leica M10 sei ISO 100/21° keine Pull-Stufe, sondern uneingeschränkt nutzbar. Ich war die ganze Zeit schon skeptisch und habe es heute, als die Sonne endlich einmal herauskam, bei einer Hochkontrast-Situation (regennasse Straße im Gegenlicht) ausprobiert. Ergebnis: Von wegen! ISO 100/21° ist bei der M10 definitiv eine Pull-Stufe. Man gewinnt ein wenig Schattenzeichnung, verliert aber eine Menge Lichterzeichnung – wie bei digitalen Pull-Stufen üblich. Der Verlust in den Lichtern ist größer als der Gewinn in den Schatten. Für maximalen Belichtungsumfang wähle man also, wie auch schon bei der M (Typ 240), besser ISO 200/24°. Allerdings scheint mir der Verlust insgesamt nicht ganz so groß zu sein wie bei der Pull-Stufe der M (Typ 240) – was wohl der Grund dafür sein mag, daß Leica Camera die ISO-100/21°-Einstellung der M10 etwas mutig als "vollwertig" propagiert. Ich denke, bei niedrigen und mittleren Motivkontrasten wird man wohl tatsächlich keine praktisch relevanten Einschränkungen bemerken. Doch bei hohen Kontrasten sollte man von ISO 100/21° lieber die Finger lassen.

I thought it might be worth starting a separate thread for M10 images taken in complex light (Madam Butterfly at the King's Head in Islington, London). I had a first outing with the M10s (50 lux asph + 28 cron asph) last night. Horrendous light (a bit like shooting against a backlit colour check chart!) but the M10 was rock solid and required very little post. I was using a Canon 5D3 + 70-200 alongside the Ms. On the set I've put on the website, it's about 50/50 (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/theatre.html - scroll down to the Madam Butterfly set). Images below are all M10 of course.

There seems to be an emerging consensus that there will be a new M some time in 2017, that it won't have many more (or any more?) pixels than the M-240, that it is bound to have a wider ISO range, and it may be slimmer and lighter. It's also rumoured that it won't have video, though it will have live-view and a better EVF (like the current Visoflex?). If this is the case, who's planning to get one? Me? I'm torn. My current pair of M240's perform impeccably so long as I don't bother with the add-on EVF - which has always been a disappointment. I've never had a real problem with the ISO range (though a base 50 like the SL would be attractive), I don't have a real problem with the size / weight, and I appreciate the video function for a small number of assignments where the client wants video interviews as part of the documentary process. Up until now I've found a matched pair of M's works best when I'm doing a job so I have wide / long focal lengths in play without having to swap lenses. Could I live with an M10 alongside an M-240? The questions pile up. Keep one M-240 and get a single M10? This could give me the best of both worlds, with the option to use a better EVF on one body for long/wide lenses if functionality is good. If I can afford it keep an M-240 and get a pair of M10s? As I've just decided I really don't like the SL and am selling the body + adaptors this may be financially possible... Skip the M10 all together and go on a long trip? It's a bit of a challenge - and unless the M10 is a really compelling offer it's still an open question for me. The transitions from M8 to M8.2 to M9 to M-240 offered real improvements on image quality and functionality. The 240 is going to be a very hard act to follow! Interested to hear how others plan to act.

Leica M10 review

An Icy Day in East Texas M10 w/50mm Apo

https://msvphoto.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/beautiful-catastrophe-059/ 2017 © Massimo S. Volonté Fotografo​ M10, 35'cron