Jump to content
Leica M EV1: Die erste M mit EVF statt Messssucher ×
Leica M EV1: The first M with EVF instead of Rangefinder ×

Whenever the new M arrives, who's going to buy one?

chris_tribble

By chris_tribble
in Leica M (Type 240 / 262)

Recommended Posts

michaelwj

michaelwj

Posted
Posted

Advertisement (gone after registration)

I remember a schoolfriend who once suggested (at that time) that at some point in the future calculators would be cheap enough to sell in bubble packs. I've actually seen one drop out of a Christmas cracker, so he was a little off the mark but not that far. I cannot though, remember the last time I bought a calculator - and there is one on my (now old and worthless iPhone 3 - still works) anyway. My point, well despite such technology coming and going, the Leica Rangefinder still remains in production having absorbed (somewhat grouchily) the advent of digital. Well designed, effective products survive remarkably well. Substantially changing them needlessly is the biggest risk IMO. Mind you I still use a fountain pen (and there are lots still on sale despite the technologically superior array of writing products which have thoroughly usurped them ..... ).

 

I bought a calculator earlier this year. I use my phone a lot, but it's not so good at doing inverse trig functions and some other things I find myself doing a bit at work. It fits the niche between basic one sum maths, and more involved multi sum maths on real data sets (where I'll use a computer script), and is on my desk, open and waiting at all times.  :)

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 506
  • Created
  • Last Reply
SonomaBear

SonomaBear

Posted
Posted

For me it is simple: the Q took my soul back to pure photography, the M was hard for 70 year old eyes. The SL EVF is perfect.

I don't want video (wife's Canon SL/1 with my L glass is great). I want manual everything (assisted like the Q is perfect) so give me an M262 with the SL's EVF!

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Link to post
Share on other sites
A Almulla

A Almulla

Posted
Posted

With my M240, if I don't remember its a M"240" I wouldn't even remember the number of pixels it has  :huh:

 

I want better higher ISO, I hate that banding artifact at ISO 3200. At least none of that banding issue would be nice.

Better dynamic range.

Remove video or keep the option to disable or reprogram the video button.

 

Everything else could be similar to the M240 for all I care.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Paulus

Paulus

Posted
Posted

There seems to be an emerging consensus that there will be a new M some time in 2017, that it won't have many more (or any more?) pixels than the M-240, that it is bound to have a wider ISO range, and it may be slimmer and lighter.  It's also rumoured that it won't have video, though it will have live-view and a better EVF (like the current Visoflex?).

 

If this is the case, who's planning to get one?  

 

Me? I'm torn.  My current pair of M240's perform impeccably so long as I don't bother with the add-on EVF - which has always been a disappointment.  I've never had a real problem with the ISO range (though a base 50 like the SL would be attractive), I don't have a real problem with the size / weight, and I appreciate the video function for a small number of assignments where the client wants video interviews as part of the documentary process. Up until now I've found a matched pair of M's works best when I'm doing a job so I have wide / long focal lengths in play without having to swap lenses.  Could I live with an M10 alongside an M-240?

 

The questions pile up.  Keep one M-240 and get a single M10?  This could give me the best of both worlds, with the option to use a better EVF on one body for long/wide lenses if functionality is good.  If I can afford it keep an M-240 and get a pair of M10s?  As I've just decided I really don't like the SL and am selling the body + adaptors this may be financially possible... Skip the M10 all together and go on a long trip?

 

It's a bit of a challenge - and unless the M10 is a really compelling offer it's still an open question for me.  The transitions from M8 to M8.2 to M9 to M-240 offered real improvements on image quality and functionality.  The 240 is going to be a very hard act to follow!

 

Interested to hear how others plan to act.

I would say, I won't buy one, but in the end, I always do....Maybe this time  I won't be an early adapter, but will wait on the M-P version to arrive a few years later.

Link to post
Share on other sites
luigi bertolotti

luigi bertolotti

Posted
Posted

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Rover attempted to start the trend in 1949 by fitting a jet engine...

 

attachicon.gifrover+jet+1.jpg

... and FIAT was second in that short-lived race for putting areo engines on cars... but its car was much more sexy than Rover... :)

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

Link to post
Share on other sites
LocalHero1953

LocalHero1953

Posted
Posted

I bought a calculator earlier this year. I use my phone a lot, but it's not so good at doing inverse trig functions and some other things I find myself doing a bit at work. It fits the niche between basic one sum maths, and more involved multi sum maths on real data sets (where I'll use a computer script), and is on my desk, open and waiting at all times.  :)

I last bought a calculator in 1983 in Dubai, an HP11c. It still does all I ever need from inverse trig to converting oven temperatures from old style °F to fan oven °C. And it has 100 step programming capacity.

Link to post
Share on other sites
pgk

pgk

Posted
Posted

Eventually  optical focusing (rangefinder) will disappear from favor. How can anyone deny it? So best to look to the present in which it is already largely out of favor.

But it is holding its own so far against a vast array of very good alternatives and with an apparent use of outdated sensors too. Its a niche product. Change niche products to compete with mainstream and they risk sinking from sight. The thing is that there will always be a small number of photographers who prefer to do things differently - they are the target buyers. Those who want a camera which competes on other levels, but with a rangefinder fitted too, are IMO likely to be more ephemeral buyers of rangefinders and your post is accurate for them. The question is, I suppose, whether the number of photographers who buy into and stay with the rangefinder niche are sufficient to keep it in production. I would say that history suggests the answer to be yes. Whether we ever learn from history is another question of course.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Printmaker

Printmaker

Posted
Posted

Highlight mine..

 

Leica should upres the 24MP file to 36MP and apply little bit of sharpening before writing to DNG. No one will ever know if only modified DNG is available as output. Something like digital correction of lens.... Won't that satisfy lots of hungry users? ;)

 

(BTW, today I am getting lots of brilliant ideas. I should note them all down). :D

 

I understand your point but there is a huge difference between a S2 file and a M9 file. Granted the sensor is bigger and the S2 file is 16 bit but the amount of detail and the ease of printing is obviously better. The detail  in a Monochrom capture comes close but the tonality no where near as nice. If I saw Monochrom quality in a color file in the M10, I'd be happy. That spells 36 mp to me.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Paul J

Paul J

Posted
Posted

Finally, a date! One of two things are going to happen on the 18th of January - I am finally, after several years of waiting very patiently and being let down constantly, am going to join the waiting list for a 40MP M body, or I am putting my M gear up for sale and not looking back.  Might even just chuck it out the window. But I have a feeling I already know how this is going to go and you are welcome to express your interest in buying...All the fan boys can say how much they love their low resolution dinosaur toy cameras, complain about the already tiny size and how it's "too heavy" but I am tired of Leica dragging their heels and expect more from a premium brand charging a premium price over-inflated price for a warm fuzzy feeling and an inadequate-to-modern-day-needs-system this slouch, this sponging no-hoper has become! My way or the highway Leica!

 

:p  :D

Link to post
Share on other sites
wattsy

wattsy

Posted
Posted

Finally, a date! One of two things are going to happen on the 18th of January - I am finally, after several years of waiting very patiently and being let down constantly, am going to join the waiting list for a 40MP M body, or I am putting my M gear up for sale and not looking back.  Might even just chuck it out the window. But I have a feeling I already know how this is going to go and you are welcome to express your interest in buying...All the fan boys can say how much they love their low resolution dinosaur toy cameras, complain about the already tiny size and how it's "too heavy" but I am tired of Leica dragging their heels and expect more from a premium brand charging a premium price over inflated price for a warm fuzzy feeling and an inadequate to modern day needs system this slouch has become. My way or the highway Leica!

 

:p  :D

 

 

I love my low resolution dinosaur toy cameras.  :) 

Link to post
Share on other sites
ianman

ianman

Posted
Posted

One of two things are going to happen on the 18th of January - I am finally, after several years of waiting very patiently and being let down constantly, am going to join the waiting list for a 40MP M body, or I am putting my M gear up for sale and not looking back.  Might even just chuck it out the window.

 

Where do you live ?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...