cirke Posted December 16, 2016 Share #421 Posted December 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd like a M262 Like body with EVF :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 17, 2016 Share #422 Posted December 17, 2016 After all these posts there is still one feature nobody has mentioned, yet I always find it quite practical to have on the DMR.Audio-Histogram. i.e. the camera gives an audible warning for under- and overexposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 17, 2016 Share #423 Posted December 17, 2016 Audio-Histogram. i.e. the camera gives an audible warning for under- and overexposure. But most photographers have this built in; the visual assessed oath interface . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 17, 2016 Share #424 Posted December 17, 2016 Still, it is a useful feature, I'm surprised Leica did not continue it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 17, 2016 Share #425 Posted December 17, 2016 Leaving my mockery of the baseplate aside (really? Baseplate? On a digital canera? What were they thinking?), and the rather limiting 29-90mm range (okay, 16-135, but you have to have two viewfinders - Two? Yeah, well the optical rangefinder doesn't know which lens you have attached - that's why you get framelines in combinations of two, oh, and focus shift - Focus shift?), you can't move the focus point. What? How much does this camera cost? Dear Leica, time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 17, 2016 Share #426 Posted December 17, 2016 Leaving my mockery of the baseplate aside (really? Baseplate? On a digital canera? What were they thinking?), and the rather limiting 29-90mm range (okay, 16-135, but you have to have two viewfinders - Two? Yeah, well the optical rangefinder doesn't know which lens you have attached - that's why you get framelines in combinations of two, oh, and focus shift - Focus shift?), you can't move the focus point. What? How much does this camera cost? [...] Well this camera will cost as much as we are willing to pay for not having a mirrorless like others i guess. Won't be cheap i bet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 17, 2016 Share #427 Posted December 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leaving my mockery of the baseplate aside (really? Baseplate? On a digital canera? What were they thinking?), and the rather limiting 29-90mm range (okay, 16-135, but you have to have two viewfinders - Two? Yeah, well the optical rangefinder doesn't know which lens you have attached - that's why you get framelines in combinations of two, oh, and focus shift - Focus shift?), you can't move the focus point. What? How much does this camera cost? Dear Leica, time to move on. I agree. And then they make a special edition without LV or rear screen, with matching lens all in stainless steel for even more money. And people buy it! Seriously, I don't know why people complain about showing two framelines at a time. Neither of them frame accurately. We need more frames: there's a chance one of them might match the scene correctly. My fantasy for the new M would be accurate framelines. But I know it won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted December 17, 2016 Share #428 Posted December 17, 2016 Leaving my mockery of the baseplate aside (really? Baseplate? On a digital canera? What were they thinking?), and the rather limiting 29-90mm range (okay, 16-135, but you have to have two viewfinders - Two? Yeah, well the optical rangefinder doesn't know which lens you have attached - that's why you get framelines in combinations of two, oh, and focus shift - Focus shift?), you can't move the focus point. What? How much does this camera cost? Dear Leica, time to move on. Again and again I have asked this question and haven't had a single coherent and honest answer. If the design/features of the M line from day one until today don't answer your needs as a photographer... why do you buy them ? Why are you (not you specifically !!) so determined to change the M into something different. Everybody knows about the cameras features and limitations, so you know, why ? Clearly the M is not a camera for people who feel that 28-90 is a limitation, or feel the need to move the focus point. ok, you've got a point for the baseplate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 17, 2016 Share #429 Posted December 17, 2016 We can perfectly like the design of M cameras and ask for a modern accessory EVF with moving focus point can't we. Best of both words Leica used to say. Time to back up those nice words with action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 17, 2016 Share #430 Posted December 17, 2016 Again and again I have asked this question and haven't had a single coherent and honest answer. You've got 100 time the answer , but your idea doesn't fit the answer there is nowhere a small 24x36 complete system, if it comes I sell my M at once, or I'll get the SL if nothing comes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted December 17, 2016 Share #431 Posted December 17, 2016 I rather like the baseplate. Once it's on, the battery and SD card are sealed away, protected and out of sight, and there are no hinged doors or hatches disfiguring the bodywork. It's pretty rare that I'll ever need to remove that baseplate in a day of shooting, and I'm using an M Monochrom mk1, a camera not noted for its brilliant battery life. I also like the limited lens range. I think the M system is superb when it comes to 28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses. Less is more sometimes. When I look at images I've shot using a DSLR and a lens range varying between 16mm and 300mm, there is no uniformity across the images. Each shot serves its purpose, but when the lens angle is extremely long or extremely wide, the photograph is more like an illustration really. The characteristics of the lens do the heavy lifting. And my shots look much like those of anyone else using the same sophisticated gear. But if I shoot all day using just a 50mm or 35mm lens on my M, I have to do a bit more work, move around more, look for compositions. It's much more stimulating, more fun, and there's more of a uniformity, a 'look' to the pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted December 17, 2016 Share #432 Posted December 17, 2016 We can perfectly like the design of M cameras and ask for a modern accessory EVF with moving focus point can't we. Best of both words Leica used to say. Time to back up those nice words with action. Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 17, 2016 Share #433 Posted December 17, 2016 I'd like a SDD hard drive 128 or 256 gb and no SD at all, and no baseplate :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 17, 2016 Share #434 Posted December 17, 2016 [...] Seriously, I don't know why people complain about showing two framelines at a time. [...] I don't know why other people may complain but there are two main reasons to dislike those pairs for me: 1. One frameline at a time is so much more comfortable. Epson R-D1 user speaking, you can trust me. 2. The 50/75 pair is disturbing. We did not have those things before the M4-P. I did wait for the M6J to upgrade my M4-2 for this only reason go figure... Another pair should have been chosen then but it is too late now so the only solution is electronic presumably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted December 17, 2016 Share #435 Posted December 17, 2016 You've got 100 time the answer , but your idea doesn't fit the answer there is nowhere a small 24x36 complete system, if it comes I sell my M at once No, I did not. This is the first time anyone has replied with a semi coherent answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted December 17, 2016 Share #436 Posted December 17, 2016 We can perfectly like the design of M cameras and ask for a modern accessory EVF with moving focus point can't we. Best of both words Leica used to say. Time to back up those nice words with action. ... or one could use a camera with all those features with the M lenses. As you say, best of both worlds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 17, 2016 Share #437 Posted December 17, 2016 No, I did not. This is the first time anyone has replied with a semi coherent answer. Perhaps you didn't give sufficient thought to some of the answers. Many have been entirely coherent. It is perfectly reasonable to like something very much and to want improvements. What is wrong with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted December 17, 2016 Share #438 Posted December 17, 2016 Perhaps you didn't give sufficient thought to some of the answers. Many have been entirely coherent. It is perfectly reasonable to like something very much and to want improvements. What is wrong with that? As I have written many many times before, I have nothing, ziltch against improvements. I do however draw a line at the addition of features to the M that have nothing to do with photography. What I have asked and yes, have only got one more or less proper answer to (that I have seen anyway), is why people buy a camera/system that very obviously does not or barely meets their requirements when there are hundreds of cameras that do meet those requirements. And this is even more puzzling to me that people who seem to be professional photographers use tools that do not fit their requirements. I have mentioned before, I also have a Fuji X-Pro2. When I feel the situation I will be in will better dealt with using AF, focus point selecting, etc. I take that along instead of my M9. It's just a question of using the best tool for the job. And I am very happy that all the tools are not the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 17, 2016 Share #439 Posted December 17, 2016 why people buy a camera/system that very obviously does not or barely meets their requirements when there are hundreds of cameras that do meet those requirements. 24x36 compact complete system build quality fantastic lenses 140 km from home :-) .... can you tell me which other system meet my requirements and I jump at once ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 17, 2016 Share #440 Posted December 17, 2016 ........ What I have asked and yes, have only got one more or less proper answer to (that I have seen anyway), is why people buy a camera/system that very obviously does not or barely meets their requirements when there are hundreds of cameras that do meet those requirements. ....... ....... The reason you're not seeing answers that are coherent to you is that your question rests on a false premise. For example, I have used M cameras since the early 1980s. In most respects they have been better suited to my needs than any other camera. But they have never been perfect and I don't think it is reasonable to expect any camera ever to be perfect. So I talk about the things that would improve the camera for my purposes. Some of the things may be features that you consider have no place in an M camera, and that is an equally valid opinion. Some of those improvements may even materialise in a new version and spoil the camera for you, and then you may express your disappointment and a new wish-list might emerge, from you and other like-minded M enthusiasts.. This all happens because the M cameras suit us so well but are inevitably slightly imperfect for each of us in different ways. It is not simply a question of ditching them for a Nikon just because there's a Nikon feature we admire and might like to see adapted for use on an M . I can't see what is incoherent about this. It all feels right and proper and entirely rational. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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