cirke Posted November 19, 2016 Share #321 Posted November 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyway, Leica may explore the possibility of a different branch of cameras in the M system: lighter, cheaper EVF-based M cameras. I am not sure, but maybe there is a public for that. Some kind of modern CL-like camera. I am 100% sure :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 Hi cirke, Take a look here New Leica M 240 follow-up in 2017 : The speculations.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rosuna Posted November 19, 2016 Share #322 Posted November 19, 2016 I'm not too hopeful for a smaller M camera. To me the SL, the T and the Q are too big, and they killed the small X2 for the much bigger X113. Leica's idea of the ideal camera size isn't in sync with mine. The T is quite small (and so beautiful!)... but the AF lenses of high quality standards are relatively large (and expensive). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 19, 2016 Share #323 Posted November 19, 2016 On the new wheel for ISO values... Look at the exposure time wheel in the film M camera... The new ISO wheel may be of similar size. It has plenty of room for many marks (200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400... ) and intermediate marks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrdiaz30 Posted November 19, 2016 Share #324 Posted November 19, 2016 "OH! That image is so fake! I could've done a better job on my 12mp iPhone using PS Express!!!" So ends the preemptive snarky comment. BTW, that is a lovely photo. And I do hope that it is an ISO dial on the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_nyc Posted November 21, 2016 Share #325 Posted November 21, 2016 Hasselblad is a medium format camera. The problems with high MP sensors handheld have to do with pixel size, not directly with pixel number. A medium format sensor can hold a larger number of pixels as a 24x36 one for a given pixel size. In general the larger the pixel (thus the lower the MP count) the better the image quality will be. So there is an optimum that balances resolution vs. acuity. At the moment that is someplace between 20 and 30 MP for a 24x36 sensor. Possible it will shift upwards in the future as sensor manufacturing technology progresses, maybe with the newest Panasonic technology which allows for larger pixel surfaces. Leica will always go for the optimum result, not for the highest possible resolution. jaapv: Thanks for your insights. I'm not obsessed with high MP files. 24MP is adequate for any printing "I" do and much more than needed for most digital exchanges these days. (Sometimes I do discover a severe crop that I'd like to have hold up.) Maybe I was channeling this kind of rumor. http://photorumors.com/2016/11/07/cmosis-announced-the-industrys-first-global-shutter-48mp-cmos-full-frame-sensor-that-supports-8k-image-resolution-at-30-fps/ http://www.cmosis.com/products/product_detail/cmv50000 I probably wouldn't be one of the early adaptors for the M10 anyway, but if Leica is going to put out a new model four years on, it needs to be a step up to get the faithful to open their wallets. I repositioned ISO dial doesn't do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2016 Share #326 Posted November 21, 2016 Nothing is impossible, but : CMOSIS: The CMV50000 is a high speed CMOS image sensor with 7920 x 6004 effective pixels (47.5Mp) developed for machine vision and video applications. Photorumors: The CMV50000 is expected to replace high pixel-count charge-coupled device (CCD) image sensors used in machine-vision cameras and high-end security cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted November 22, 2016 Share #327 Posted November 22, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Although the pics are noisy, I have made A4 size pics from iPhone 6 that are quite good. It just need good light. The dynamic range is lacking and highlights tend to blow out but the results are not bad. It actually depends on the subject. A high frequency picture (fine branches and leaves) is not suitable due to aggressive NR but a cityscape turns out good. At the intro of the iphone 6 Apple thought they could go bigger even: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! As can be seen, these posters have a very low 'density', tonal range, colour depth. Tho the abundance of pixels can be enlarged and used artistically. . Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! As can be seen, these posters have a very low 'density', tonal range, colour depth. Tho the abundance of pixels can be enlarged and used artistically. . ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264723-new-leica-m-240-follow-up-in-2017-the-speculations/?do=findComment&comment=3153754'>More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 24, 2016 Share #328 Posted November 24, 2016 The Epson R-D1 had a wheel in the same location the M10 will have one. The Epson's wheel was very elegant, without markings. I would like a solution that allows to hide the markings. The exposure time wheel of the Epson had a hidden wheel for ISOs with a small window. That is a good idea. Another wheel on top of a M camera with markings is functional but very inelegant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted November 24, 2016 Share #329 Posted November 24, 2016 Or make it look like traditional style film revind knob similar to mp/m3 [emoji16][emoji869] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 24, 2016 Share #330 Posted November 24, 2016 [...] The Epson R-D1 had a wheel in the same location the M10 will have one. The Epson's wheel was very elegant, without markings. I would like a solution that allows to hide the markings. [...] Hi Ruben, this wheel was a jog dial to navigate through menus and pictures actually but i prefer markings over chimping personally. The R-D1 had such markings on the shutter sped dial to change isos and exposure compensation as well. This way the R-D1 could be used with no LCD at all. Was and remains the only digital camera giving me the feeling to use film w/o being bothered by chemistry. And what a pleasure to use an 1:1 rangefinder... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264723-new-leica-m-240-follow-up-in-2017-the-speculations/?do=findComment&comment=3155031'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2016 Share #331 Posted November 24, 2016 Indeed - the RD1 was developed to use as many Bessa parts as possible for economy's sake <as were the Nikon D100 electronics>. The film rewind wheel had to be maintained in some form. The result was an evergreen nostalgia camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 26, 2016 Share #332 Posted November 26, 2016 Hi Ruben, this wheel was a jog dial to navigate through menus and pictures actually but i prefer markings over chimping personally. The R-D1 had such markings on the shutter sped dial to change isos and exposure compensation as well. This way the R-D1 could be used with no LCD at all. Was and remains the only digital camera giving me the feeling to use film w/o being bothered by chemistry. And what a pleasure to use an 1:1 rangefinder... jog.jpg I agree, 100% There are a few interesting ideas in the R-D1 design... and Leica should think a little on it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 26, 2016 Share #333 Posted November 26, 2016 At the intro of the iphone 6 Apple thought they could go bigger even: As can be seen, these posters have a very low 'density', tonal range, colour depth. Tho the abundance of pixels can be enlarged and used artistically. . Large (unimpressive) prints... but you cannot inspect them closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share #334 Posted December 11, 2016 I decided not to buy a new M in Mai 2017 . I buy a Nikon D5 instead. I really need the upgrade from my D3 and I think that's where I can find the high iso I sometimes need. No point waiting on a mirage IMO , when there is a sure thing in the vincinity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted December 14, 2016 Share #335 Posted December 14, 2016 A new M model with EVF, smaller, lighter and at lower price, would be a success, and a product different to any other in the market, because of this: http://j.mp/2hwrT0s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 14, 2016 Share #336 Posted December 14, 2016 A new M model with EVF, smaller, lighter and at lower price, would be a success, and a product different to any other in the market, because of this: http://j.mp/2hwrT0s Indeed . . . I agree with almost all of this . . but it wouldn't be an M would it? Why not keep an M and have a different camera . . Why not call it a QL and supply it with a free TL to M mount adapter? That way you could also use it with TL and SL lenses at a pinch, use it as a back up to an SL or an M. And have a new M which reflects the heritage and improves on the M240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 14, 2016 Share #337 Posted December 14, 2016 QL - and I am in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 14, 2016 Share #338 Posted December 14, 2016 Indeed . . . I agree with almost all of this . . but it wouldn't be an M would it? Why not keep an M and have a different camera . . Why not call it a QL and supply it with a free TL to M mount adapter? That way you could also use it with TL and SL lenses at a pinch, use it as a back up to an SL or an M. And have a new M which reflects the heritage and improves on the M240? This makes a lot of sense, but in what sort of way would you like or expect to see the new M improve on the M 240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 14, 2016 Share #339 Posted December 14, 2016 This makes a lot of sense, but in what sort of way would you like or expect to see the new M improve on the M 240? Well, in every sort of way - but in an evolutionary rather than revolutionary way - certainly not by changing it into a Sony A7 with an M mount! (nothing wrong with a Sony A7 with an M mount, but it wouldn't be an M) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 14, 2016 Share #340 Posted December 14, 2016 Indeed . . . I agree with almost all of this . . but it wouldn't be an M would it? Why not keep an M and have a different camera . . Why not call it a QL and supply it with a free TL to M mount adapter? That way you could also use it with TL and SL lenses at a pinch, use it as a back up to an SL or an M. And have a new M which reflects the heritage and improves on the M240?buy and Sl QL? Wouldn't that just basically be an SL? I just want a smaller improved version, "improved in every sort of way," of the M for my wonderful M lenses and I'll contently disappear for another 4 years. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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