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Leica Summicron Fungus


luke

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Hi Guys,

 

Long time lurking first time posting! I was hoping to get a quick opinion from those members who have more experience than I do. This Summicron 50 is circa 1979 and I've owned it since 2008. I've never had any problems with the lens but I did notice this build up on the edge of one of the elements of the lens. 

 

Am I correct in thinking that this is fungus in the lens? I'd of course like to take action to hold any further progression if this is indeed the case!

 

Kind Regards

 

Luke

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Possibly. Could also be balsam separation. Difficult to say. Probably worth getting a reputable repairer to take a look. Fungus can be stopped/cleaned unless the glass is etched - this isn't a certainty - and then keeping it dry should stop recurrence. Balsam separation might be trickier and less economic as it might be a tricky repair. 

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Maybe. I have a v.4 35mm Summicron which had the two rear elements separated due to an impact which had sheared them apart - balsam I assume. They have been re-cemented using a 'modern adhesive' (UV cured).

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It looks more like a modest, and negligible fault in the black paint. Schneider Optics is famous for the problem. It has no effect whatsoever on the image.

 

(It is not balsam separation. For certain.)

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@Luke: Welcome to the forum. If you are near a dealer ask them. If not then there are so few it is a pain to ask advice.

The lens is old. Anything could have happened in that time. Does it affect your photos?

If not then enjoy the lens. If it does then send it in for CLA (clean, lubrication, adjustment).

 

Leica glass has a value, however old it is.

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(It is not balsam separation. For certain.)

 

To me it almost looks like a stress pattern - most lines are directional away from the edge which make me wonder about stress or impact stress on the adhesive? Doesn't look at all like schneideritis (I have a SA with a trace of this). Fungus is not usually in straight lines in my experience - more a random web of intersecting threads. It could also be very minor abrasion and scratching from a previous dismantling. In essence such marks are not going to affect image quality visibly but if any steps are needed to stop it getting worse then they should be taken.

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It doesn't look like fungus to me either but if you're worried that it might be then the first (free of charge) step is to take the lens off the camera, open the aperture right up and place the lens in sunlight for a few hours (making sure that it can't focus on anything flammable), which should kill any live fungus that tend to enjoy dark, humid environments.

 

Pete.

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Looking at your pix again I do wonder if this is actually some very fine scratching as a result of abrasion when the lens has been dismantled at some time in the past? It is after all 37 years old and may well have been serviced at some point and such things do happen. I don't think that it will affect image quality visibly at all though so I'd simply live with it and just check it every so often to see if it gets any worse just in case we are all wrong and it is fungus, but I very much count that it is.

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Thank you for the replies. At the moment it's very minor and not causing any problems so I'm not too worried about it -- but of course I'd like to prevent any progression in case it gets worse. I'm going over to Manchester tomorrow, so I'll pop it in to a dealer while I'm in the city to see what they have to say. I'll make sure to report back the findings.

 

One more thing. I misspoke when I said 1979, I actually meant 1970, just in case anyone notices!

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(It is not balsam separation. For certain.)

 

 

Bearing in mind he worked for Leitz, in his book on the Leica M, Osterloh  states that they started to use Absorban in the mid-sixties to cement the elements together.

 

I have some old (19th century) lenses with some separation and it looks very different to this.

 

Susie

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