IkarusJohn Posted March 25, 2018 Share #2041 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) https://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/hasselblad-expands-the-lens-range-for-the-x1d-50c/ The 80 will be the fastest, speed not yet specified. Jeff Which results in an equivalent fov of 67mm, right? Not so good for a single lens system ... The 21/4 (18mm fov) could be interesting, but it might be more useful at f/2.8 (I loved the 15/2.8 Distagon, but the red edges drove me away). I wonder what the 80mm aperture will be ... Edited March 25, 2018 by IkarusJohn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted March 25, 2018 Share #2042 Posted March 25, 2018 Roughly .8x FOV factor, so about 64mm. The 21 (under 17 equivalent) was changed from previously announced 22 due to customer feedback. The 80 lens aperture won’t be revealed until later this year, so all we know is that it will be faster than f2. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBK Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2043 Posted March 26, 2018 Re: sizing The size is a bit bigger than the SL+M lens, and definitely bigger than an M7 However it's in the ballpark.. and the handling/weight/balance are similar Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I don't have any native SL lenses to compare to, though you can imagine how much longer those are Of course I can put a much slimmer lens on the M and make the whole package smaller but that's not the point here Note the X1D is wearing the 45mm. The 30mm is ~10% longer, and the 90mm is ~33% longer. The 120mm is 2x longer, unsurprisingly. Now whats fun is when you bring it back to its own weight class Compare it to the only other mirrorless MF, the Fuji GFXSuddenly the X1D feels more similar to the M/SL+M lens size class Do note the GFX is much lighter than it looks and weight wise feels similar to the X1D I saw some PhaseOne/Hassy H6D/etc MF cameras next to the X1D this weekend and it's like a Fiat 500 next to a Chevy Suburban.. neat. Of course as hobbyists we compare these 2 cameras due to price range/desirability/fun, but for pros I'd think they have very different use cases. SL just feels faster, quieter and the EVF is still worlds best. It seems focused on optimal optical performance at the expense of size/weight, unlike Leica M. X1D is slower, but almost in the way an M240 is.. its shutter is surprisingly loud, and the EVF is trailing the pack. The lenses are a tradeoff of performance/speed vs size/weight, like Leica M. Oddly, for Leica M users contemplating an SL.. the X1D may be more appropriate, philosophically.. if you aren't wedded to using your M lenses on it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I don't have any native SL lenses to compare to, though you can imagine how much longer those are Of course I can put a much slimmer lens on the M and make the whole package smaller but that's not the point here Note the X1D is wearing the 45mm. The 30mm is ~10% longer, and the 90mm is ~33% longer. The 120mm is 2x longer, unsurprisingly. Now whats fun is when you bring it back to its own weight class Compare it to the only other mirrorless MF, the Fuji GFX Suddenly the X1D feels more similar to the M/SL+M lens size class Do note the GFX is much lighter than it looks and weight wise feels similar to the X1D I saw some PhaseOne/Hassy H6D/etc MF cameras next to the X1D this weekend and it's like a Fiat 500 next to a Chevy Suburban.. neat. Of course as hobbyists we compare these 2 cameras due to price range/desirability/fun, but for pros I'd think they have very different use cases. SL just feels faster, quieter and the EVF is still worlds best. It seems focused on optimal optical performance at the expense of size/weight, unlike Leica M. X1D is slower, but almost in the way an M240 is.. its shutter is surprisingly loud, and the EVF is trailing the pack. The lenses are a tradeoff of performance/speed vs size/weight, like Leica M. Oddly, for Leica M users contemplating an SL.. the X1D may be more appropriate, philosophically.. if you aren't wedded to using your M lenses on it. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261949-leica-sl-or-hasselblad-x1d/?do=findComment&comment=3487784'>More sharing options...
steveBK Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2044 Posted March 26, 2018 From my personal shooting&shopping some weight comparisons... SL+SL 24-90/2.8-4 1990g SL+SL 50/1.4 1920g SL+Madapt+VC 40/1.2 1445g SL+Madapt+Summarit 35/2.4 1325g X1D+45/3.5 1269g M240+thumbsup/grip+50/1.4 1025g OMD EM1 +17/1.2 964g OMD EM1 +12-40 956g 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2045 Posted March 26, 2018 From my personal shooting&shopping some weight comparisons... SL+SL 24-90/2.8-4 1990g SL+SL 50/1.4 1920g SL+Madapt+VC 40/1.2 1445g SL+Madapt+Summarit 35/2.4 1325g X1D+45/3.5 1269g M240+thumbsup/grip+50/1.4 1025g OMD EM1 +17/1.2 964g OMD EM1 +12-40 956g I wonder what the X1D zoom will weigh? Surely it will be a lot lighter than the SL 24-90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBK Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2046 Posted March 26, 2018 I'm guessing the zoom won't be too heavy as the focal range and aperture are not too aggressive... The weight of the upcoming Hasselblad XCD "fast 80mm".. which is as close to a FF 50/1.4 as we may get.. will be interesting. Should be lighter than SL 50/1.4 .. but who knows. One thing that really stuck out - the weight creep on the "pro m4/3" kit !! Unless you are a telephoto shooter or video shooter, the system doesn't make as much sense from a price/size/weight perspective anymore.. versus say.. Sony. Of course you get some of the best IBIS and true weather sealing with Olympus, so it all depends on your needs. I didn't like the general control scheme on the Sonys, I find Hasselblad to be close enough to Leica minimalism. Adding to above list the dreaded Sony kit weights A7rIII + 50/1.4 1435g A9 + 24-70/2.8 1560g A7III + 50/1.8 840g A7III + 35/2.8 770g A7S + 35/2.8 610g And you can now adapt H lenses to X1D with AF so X1D+Hadapt+100/2.2 1680g X1D+Hadapt+80/2.8 1200g 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2047 Posted March 26, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, the XC120mm weighs 970g. I don't see the zoom weighing less than that as it's bigger and more complex. It'll be less than the 35-90HC which is 1400g. I hope it's good. I'm really looking forward to it and don't need a disappointment like the 1250 gram Leica 30-90 S. I have the HC100mm. On the X1D the AF works fine but the balance is off (adaptor means all the weight is on the nose). So the SL and 50mm 1.4 *feel* lighter and better balanced. Weight is one thing but it needs to be balanced or it'll still feel heavy. The SL has really good balance and weight distribution. As do the X1D natives, so far. And it'll be 300 grams lighter with the 'crons. As for the X1D there's a 65mm 2.8 coming as a smaller faster *normal* lens. I like that the fastest lens is a short tele (80mm) as it suits me. I'm sure other wished for a fast wide. You can handhold the X1D at ludicrous speeds though. That's what good balance and ergonomics does, combined with a leaf shutter. Gordon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 26, 2018 Share #2048 Posted March 26, 2018 I wish that the XCD zoom won’t telescope when zooming like the SL 24-90, but expect that it will. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2049 Posted March 27, 2018 I mentioned earlier that I prefer the design elegance and handling/grip of the X1D to the SL, and frankly to most any camera these days. Well it seems that the SL will evolve its design going forward. Kevin Raber at LuLa just posted his interview with Dr. Andreas Kaufmann and Kaufmann commented on the SL design. He said that the first iteration was “a bit brutal....like with an axe”, but that in the future it would be “a bit more elegant”. Good news IMO. Kaufmann also said that the L mount provided more opportunities than currently exists with the TL, SL and CL, and that this will become evident in June, 2018. I don’t know what that suggests, but will be interesting. He separately referred to the S as a medium format DSLR, so it wouldn’t seem as though he was hinting at a mirrorless S. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2050 Posted March 27, 2018 "more opportunities" i think he means a higher resolution SL mk2 or maybe a slightly lower end S model that can use the L mount natively 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2051 Posted March 27, 2018 I expect the SL won’t see any resolution increase until the S moves ahead first as the flagship MP-wise. And it also seems that the SL is on a 4 year product cycle, which would mean 2019. But Leica can surprise. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2052 Posted March 27, 2018 I expect the SL won’t see any resolution increase until the S moves ahead first as the flagship MP-wise. And it also seems that the SL is on a 4 year product cycle, which would mean 2019. But Leica can surprise. Jeff The other factor one needs to consider is when Leica needs to secure the supply of higher resolution sensors from sensor maker. Leica cannot act independently on product launch timing. It is just like the 4.4 mil pix resolution EVF in SL. Leica needs the right sensor for the next SL2 launch plus AF capability upgrade (now available after Panasonic G9 launched). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2053 Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) I wish that the XCD zoom won’t telescope when zooming like the SL 24-90, but expect that it will. Jeff Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 27, 2018 by FlashGordonPhotography Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261949-leica-sl-or-hasselblad-x1d/?do=findComment&comment=3488548'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 27, 2018 Share #2054 Posted March 27, 2018 That’s been the basis for my expectation. Wishes are another matter. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted April 7, 2018 Share #2055 Posted April 7, 2018 well, the GFX 50 R is apparently coming soon, at a rumored price point of under 4k $, and size of a bloated Xpro2..so that should be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted April 8, 2018 Share #2056 Posted April 8, 2018 well, the GFX 50 R is apparently coming soon, at a rumored price point of under 4k $, and size of a bloated Xpro2..so that should be interesting. It's still going to have a focal plane shutter, with all the advantages and disadvantages that comes with that. Flange distance is fixed. They'll need a spot for that big battery, unless they have a different one (yuck). And sorting heat distribution. So it won't be smaller or lighter than the X1D. The X1D ergonomics are pretty much perfect so it'll be interesting if a scaled up XPro 2 handles well without a grip (Mamyia 7II ripoff??). And mini MF lenses will still need to be a certain size. But USD4K is certainly going to get more people into the system. The X1D body is now AUD10K (2K off) and I suspect they'll keep it and drop the price further when the X2D arrives. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted April 8, 2018 Share #2057 Posted April 8, 2018 im guessing it will be almost the same size as the X1D. It's still going to have a focal plane shutter, with all the advantages and disadvantages that comes with that. Flange distance is fixed. They'll need a spot for that big battery, unless they have a different one (yuck). And sorting heat distribution. So it won't be smaller or lighter than the X1D. The X1D ergonomics are pretty much perfect so it'll be interesting if a scaled up XPro 2 handles well without a grip (Mamyia 7II ripoff??). And mini MF lenses will still need to be a certain size. But USD4K is certainly going to get more people into the system. The X1D body is now AUD10K (2K off) and I suspect they'll keep it and drop the price further when the X2D arrives. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 8, 2018 Share #2058 Posted April 8, 2018 The Hasselblad H zooms don't telescope so might be in luck for the X1D too. I'm guessing it won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 9, 2018 Share #2059 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) I wish that the XCD zoom won’t telescope when zooming like the SL 24-90, but expect that it will. Jeff Just noted that unlike the SL 24-90, the SL 16-35 maintains constant length, as the 90-280. Jeff Edited April 9, 2018 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted May 3, 2018 Share #2060 Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) I finally said yes to trying the X1D. The sales guy was very sure I would get a case of GAS. I did, but resisted. In the brief 10 minutes with it, I can understand why it's so attractive. Hasselblad has done a really good job. Love it. Edited May 3, 2018 by lx1713 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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