35 lux and cron

[mandelbrot]

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I'm planning to add a 35 cron to my lux in order to have a lens suitable for long shooting (weight and dimension). Do you think it is a good idea?

Thanks

M

[Mark T]

You won't be the only one to spend thosands in this manner. If that makes it easier?

[jaapv]

cron? lux? Which lenses do you mean exactly?

[a.noctilux]

Yes very good idea .

 

You have not mean Pre-asph. model, if it's the case the 2 have almost same weight and depth.

As a side gain, Summicron focus to 70cm in place of 1meter.

If it's asph. category, that's a good gain for your long shooting.

 

Arnaud

[semi-ambivalent]

Do you think the weight is that much less? Shoulder and neck exercises would be better, and cheaper too. (I'm quite serious here.) Otherwise, buy what you want and move on, you shouldn't need our validation.

 

s-a

[indergaard]

You want to spend $2000 to save 80-90 grams of weight and a little difference in lens depth when you need it?
The 35 Lux FLE without the hood attached isn't a big lens...

I would rather add another focal length, or just sell the Lux and get a Cron... But I can't see any reason whatsoever for owning both.

[FrozenInTime]

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I supplemented my 35mm summilux ASPH with a Zeiss 35/2,8 C-Biogon.

The Zeiss is smaller and more importantly  less prone to unpredictable flare.

On some travels, I carried both lenses , and no others , using the Zeiss during the day and the Summilux at night.

[Denys]

Since you ask: no. I agree with Indergaard - if I was buying another lens, it would be a different focal length. It's your money, though, do whatever gives you most pleasure!

[mandelbrot]

I supplemented my 35mm summilux ASPH with a Zeiss 35/2,8 C-Biogon.

The Zeiss is smaller and more importantly  less prone to unpredictable flare.

On some travels, I carried both lenses , and no others , using the Zeiss during the day and the Summilux at night.

 

I like this configuration ... thanks

[fotofool]

Given how good the current 35 lux is when stopped down (assuming that's the one you mean) it's hard for me to understand why you would add a 35 cron.  But if the small difference in size and weight are that big of an issue maybe you should consider adding a Leica X?

 

On the other hand, if you simply *want* a Summicron then, by all means, buy one!  I know of no better reason.

[lct]

I don't like much the OoF rendition of the 35/1.4 FLE personally but it is my sharper 35 in low light so i tend to complement it with a ZM 35/2.8 when i need contrasty results in good light.  

 

 

[Jeff S]

Are you really worn out carrying your 35 Summilux (attached to an M?) all day?  That's a new one for me....but whatever works for you is all that matters.  Almost any Leica lens is fully capable of fine pics....and a lot of non-Leica lenses, too.

 

Stop by your local shop and play with the SL and 24-90 for the afternoon (or any DSLR and fast lens or zoom).  Maybe that will give you a different perspective.

 

 

Jeff

[Rick]

mandelbrot - Don't let these guys make it personal by trying to make the issue about you being, "worn out carrying your 35 Summilux" or the suggestion that, "shoulder and neck exercises would be better, and cheaper too."  This is just how some of our members seem to believe folks actually talk to each other. 

 

 

Onward to your question:  The 35 Summilux is a large lens and carrying it all day, as you know, does add to the weight of the M in a significant way.  I agree.  We don't need shoulder exercises, LOL, but the Summilux does to some degree take away from the compact, light original concept of the Barnack.  

 

I often switch to the 35 Summicron for this reason and enjoy the compact nature of the Summicron on the M.  It certainly does make the M more compact, lighter and more enjoyable from this standpoint..  Anyone whom believes the issue is shoulder strength or being worn out carrying the Summilux, likely doesn't appreciate the original essence of the system or is just trying to troll you.

 

I agree with lct that, the Summilux has poor Bokeh.  Especially, the background specular highlights which present as un-smooth and harsh compared to the smooth bokeh of the current Summicron.   

 

Also, agree with FrozenInTime that, the Summicron is great for day use and the Summilux is great to have for night use.

 

I really don't agree with the comments that having another lens in a particular focal length is something that can't be understood.  There a plenty of reasons to own more than one lens in a given focal length. 

 

 

Rick

[JWW]

The weight, size, and the modern vs older look made me keep both the 35 Summilux ASPH FLE and the 35 Summicron V4.   The V4 is definitely lighter and smaller attached to the M vs the FLE.  Without the hood, it's almost pocketable (in a big pocket).

[Rick]

Erwin Puts:  "The Summicron-M ASPH 35 mm at full aperture gives quite comparable performance to the Summilux ASPH at f/2.0, with a very high contrast image over a large part of the picture field. The finest details are rendered a fraction softer at the edges and with somewhat lower micro contrast. The Summilux-M ASPH at f/2.0 is slightly ahead of the Summicron according to the MTF graphs in the outer zones. The better flare suppression of the Summicron produces a slightly tighter overall image. I would prefer to call it a difference in fingerprint or characteristic of image rendering. The Summicron-M ASPH shows a pattern of extremely high quality on axis, becoming less so when going outwards to the corners. The difference between the available image quality on axis and in the field is quite gradual. The Summilux-M ASPH at its full aperture of f/1.4 has the same pattern, but stopped down to f/2.0 shows very even coverage over most of the field. That is remarkable after only one stop. "

[CheshireCat]

I would buy the Summicron (probably a non-ASPH) just for the rendering character. Not certainly for the weight and size.

But then again, I also use a DSLR + huge lenses, so when I use the M with whatever lens it feels like an "air camera"

[lct]

[...] Also, agree with FrozenInTime that, the Summicron is great for day use and the Summilux is great to have for night use.

I really don't agree with the comments that having another lens in a particular focal length is something that can't be understood.  There a plenty of reasons to own more than one lens in a given focal length. [...]

 

+1 and i choose the 35/2 asph generally when i bring one 35 only. Better compromise to me but i like much the 35/2 v4 as well. Different characters obviously. Lenses are like good wines, one can drink/use always the same but they will be missing a lot of flavors .

[stephen.w]

I supplemented my 35mm summilux ASPH with a Zeiss 35/2,8 C-Biogon.

The Zeiss is smaller and more importantly  less prone to unpredictable flare.

On some travels, I carried both lenses , and no others , using the Zeiss during the day and the Summilux at night.

 

I also have these two 35mm lenses (assuming you meant the FLE Summilux), which I agree make for a nice pair. I should add that I use the Zeiss lens without a hood (just haven't got round to getting one), and have experienced flare on a few rare occasions.

[rirakuma]

The 35 cron has very different handling to the lux and also has difference in rendering. I added a v1 cron to compliment my lux pre fle and I carry the cron most of the time but in terms of pure performance I like the lux.

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[cpclee]

I use a 28/2.8 ASPH in place of my 35 FLE for times when I want compact or go slightly wider.  Personally I feel that's a more useful duo than 35 FLE + 35 Cron ASPH.  

 

I consider the 35 FLE to be still relatively compact and not at all heavy.