stump4545 Posted February 19, 2016 Share #1 Posted February 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone here get a Leica 246 and after using it for it for a while decide to go back to the their original MM? I dont know. I will continue to play with my new 246 but compared to my orignal MM I dont like: --increased size and weight --I don't use live veiw --increased battery life and weather sealing not a big plus for me -EVF I dont like using. The higher ISO is an upgrade as is faster operation and brighter optical viewfinder. Anyone here go back to the M9M after using a 246? not sure if the 246 will grow on me in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Hi stump4545, Take a look here Type 246 back to original MM. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Giulio Zanni Posted February 19, 2016 Share #2 Posted February 19, 2016 Just use the 246 as your original MM and in case you need more is already there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire53 Posted February 27, 2016 Share #3 Posted February 27, 2016 how about "the 246 is much quieter?" as a "+" frame line options is not really a "+" but I think helps a bit for composition under certain light conditions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 27, 2016 Share #4 Posted February 27, 2016 Increased size?? You probably didn't look at the label on your MM1 and it has shrunk during washing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted February 28, 2016 Share #5 Posted February 28, 2016 --increased size and weight --I don't use live veiw --increased battery life and weather sealing not a big plus for me -EVF I dont like using. The higher ISO is an upgrade as is faster operation and brighter optical viewfinder. So the things that have nothing to do with the actual end photograph (two of which you aren't forced to use anyway) weigh heavier on your mind than the thing that can greatly benefit the end result. Enough said. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted February 28, 2016 Share #6 Posted February 28, 2016 I sold my MM because of the sensor corrosion issue, even with mine not being affected, and bought the MM246. The handling of the MM246 is much nicer, the shutter hears and feels more like the old film M cameras ones. And the files are also very very nice. I would not go back, that would be sort of silly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted March 1, 2016 Share #7 Posted March 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've never seriously considered selling my original MM for the newer version, but not for any of the reasons you list. Unless you have an issue with your photos, the look and feel of what you are producing, then I would not go back to the original MM. If you miss the original Monochrom "look" well, that's a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted March 3, 2016 Share #8 Posted March 3, 2016 'Buying backwards' poses another problem; you don't want to pick one up that has the old corrosion-prone sensor. Leica only just started replacement in late January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 19, 2016 Share #9 Posted March 19, 2016 While my MM1 was in for a quick service in Wetzlar I was informed of having a corroded sensor and a replacement sensor would not be available during my stay in the country. I therefore "upgraded" to a MM2. Now a few days after the "upgrade" it all feels a lot like a "sidegrade" and I really hate a lot of the changes Leica made with the MM2: - the start up and wake up times of the camera are irritatingly long - long enough indeed so I missed a few shots already (using it in the identical fashion I used to use my MM1) - the viewfinder display of showing exposure compensation when half pressing the shutter release instead of showing the shutter speed is extremely irritating - changing ISO is a PITA with the new camera (and again a step backwards from the M9/MM) - no more quickly changing quickly from 400 - 800 - 1600 - 3200 ISO in full stops, one has to clickety-click through all 1/3 stops - the new camera's hot-shoe-EVF-port cover is incredibly annoying and I hit my forehead a few times already (left eye shooter) - why can I not disable that incredibly retarded movie button? - why can I not map single drive mode to the self timer position as with M9/MM ? - the ISO button is now less distinctive to find by feel as with former cameras - I have to look at the camera when I quickly want to change ISO - the camera feels extremely sluggish in some situations when pressing the ISO button to quickly check ISO simply nothing happens - camera sleeping or still booting up I really, really hope I can find the upgrade money's value worth in improved image quality once I have shot it a bit. So far I am very underwhelmed and based on these few days experience I wouldn't do the upgrade again. I feel sidegrade remorse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 19, 2016 Share #10 Posted March 19, 2016 I feel the M246 to be more responsive, I also like the more quiet shutter, weather protection, batterie life, buffer, 1/250 in auto iso is a big advantage for me. I also dont use EVF, but the other factors I enjoy to have. But the original MM is a pretty good camera as well, no question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 19, 2016 Share #11 Posted March 19, 2016 Dirk, I think you have to read the manual + firmware update notes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 20, 2016 Share #12 Posted March 20, 2016 Thanks for the tip Jaap - am I missing something? The camera is on FW 1.0.0.4 and I had a session with the technician at Wetzlar to address all mentioned points above with no solution, hence my critics. Is there a newer FW available? At the customer support area in the owners section there is no firmware download available. As little as I see so far from the little use I had with the new camera, the files do seem to have a bit more dynamic range and the high ISO quality (ISO6400 and above) is amazingly usable (which was not the case with the MMv1 for me, especially in regard to pattern noise with Lightroom at ISO 3200 and higher). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 20, 2016 Share #13 Posted March 20, 2016 On the 240 video can be disabled. It should be the same on the 246. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 20, 2016 Share #14 Posted March 20, 2016 I was told by two Leica employees in Wetzlar when I received the camera that it couldn't. If there is a way to do it, please shoot. I had just yesterday several videos among just a few shots I took on a 1h walk around town. It is really distracting. I really dug around the internet and manuals half a day to address my other critics on the MMv2 and apart from replacing the awkward EVF port cover with a piece of tape did not find any cure for the issues mentioned. I also set the auto power off time to "OFF" to prevent the very long wake up time and will see how the camera behaves this way. The issue of displaying exposure compensation instead of shutter speed in the viewfinder (I ALWAYS have a certain exposure compensation set with my digital M and S bodies as of preserving highlights and am fully aware of that compensation), the issue of very clumsy ISO selection and the always active movie button are the very most annoying. An ideal solution for me to solve the ISO issue would be to replace the LV button with a ISO full stop function. - select "LV" button for "ISO setting" - hold LV button and change ISO in full stops by pressing up / down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted March 21, 2016 Share #15 Posted March 21, 2016 I disabled video on mine. Same as 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted March 21, 2016 Share #16 Posted March 21, 2016 I was told by two Leica employees in Wetzlar when I received the camera that it couldn't. If there is a way to do it, please shoot. I had just yesterday several videos among just a few shots I took on a 1h walk around town. It is really distracting. I really dug around the internet and manuals half a day to address my other critics on the MMv2 and apart from replacing the awkward EVF port cover with a piece of tape did not find any cure for the issues mentioned. I also set the auto power off time to "OFF" to prevent the very long wake up time and will see how the camera behaves this way. The issue of displaying exposure compensation instead of shutter speed in the viewfinder (I ALWAYS have a certain exposure compensation set with my digital M and S bodies as of preserving highlights and am fully aware of that compensation), the issue of very clumsy ISO selection and the always active movie button are the very most annoying. An ideal solution for me to solve the ISO issue would be to replace the LV button with a ISO full stop function. - select "LV" button for "ISO setting" - hold LV button and change ISO in full stops by pressing up / down On my 246, to disable the video, hit SET button. Scroll down to the Video Recording, hit Set button again. Then select Video Off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 22, 2016 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2016 OP What you want for your used 246? I find having 2 for street helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #18 Posted March 22, 2016 On my 246, to disable the video, hit SET button. Scroll down to the Video Recording, hit Set button again. Then select Video Off. Thanks a lot for sharing this info - we need more such helpful posts ;-) I hope with future firmware updates we can see improvement in how we can use these buttons (hint: make them programable, so several useful functions can be mapped to these buttons). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted March 22, 2016 Share #19 Posted March 22, 2016 Thanks a lot for sharing this info - we need more such helpful posts ;-) I hope with future firmware updates we can see improvement in how we can use these buttons (hint: make them programable, so several useful functions can be mapped to these buttons). Your welcome. I believe in answering questions instead of teasing with a half answer. I doubt though you will see programmable buttons on the M. That is more what user profiles are used for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOZ Posted March 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2016 Hi, I went from the MM1 (corrosion issue) to the MM246, didn't like it that much (on sunshine for ex) so sold it for a M-P 240 that is quite... boring in fact as well. So I'm probably gonna go back to a M9-P instead. I'm so loving my M8 in fact, using it a lot and it's great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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