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Leica SL, Vario Elmar-R 1:4/70-210

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very impressed ..... cleaned up a bit in LR it looks great .... probably even better from the dng .....   apologies if I've overdone it but I was curious as to how it would look with a bit of tweaking .....

 

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I fail to see how this is impressive.  The noise performance looks terrible.  In fact, the noise performance of the SL looks worse than Micro 4/3 cameras.  Most of the samples in this thread look very underwhelming.  I fail to see how Leica can charge such a rediculous amount of money for a camera and call it a tool for the professionals.

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I fail to see how this is impressive.  The noise performance looks terrible.  In fact, the noise performance of the SL looks worse than Micro 4/3 cameras.  Most of the samples in this thread look very underwhelming.  I fail to see how Leica can charge such a rediculous amount of money for a camera and call it a tool for the professionals.

 

 

You did notice that this was a crop from an ISO 3200 shot, yes?  The noise performance from the SL is definitely better than any current Micro 4/3 camera, though it's not quite up to the level of the best full frame cameras.  If you find most of the samples in the thread underwhelming, so be it.  In general, I find the qualify of the photography on the various Leica forums to be quite a bit higher than on the equivalent Panasonic, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, and Olympus forums.  Not that there aren't excellent photographers using all those cameras, but the pricing of Leica cameras results in a certain level of dedication and expertise in the owners that sometimes absent elsewhere.  At any rate, the image quality of the SL is top notch.  If you are underwhelmed, blame the photographers (me included).  Maybe you just don't like our pictures?  Or are there specific nits you wish to pick?  

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I fail to see how this is impressive.  The noise performance looks terrible.  In fact, the noise performance of the SL looks worse than Micro 4/3 cameras.  Most of the samples in this thread look very underwhelming.  I fail to see how Leica can charge such a rediculous amount of money for a camera and call it a tool for the professionals.

 

 

Your negativity is counteracted by the many positive posts from enthusiastic photographers using and enjoying the camera. 

 

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I'm not sure that "holds up quite well" means anything other than that the person who wrote it is biased to prefer the M's rendering qualities or was writing somewhat casually. 

 

However, how would it be that the SL should be a "significant leap in quality"? Same pixel dimensions for both, top notch lenses for both, minor differences between the sensors, almost identical price for M/M-P typ 240 and SL bodies ... ?? How much difference are you really expecting to see on these two high-end, top of the line cameras? 

 

I have both the M-P and the SL. I don't tend to use the M lenses on the SL, and I don't tend to use my R lenses on the M-P. What I see as different out of them is much more a matter of how the lenses render than anything to do with the bodies, however, and in testing where I've shared the same lens on both bodies the differences are so small as to be nothing compared to what a moment's tweak of the curve in Lightroom will produce as a difference. 

 

I didn't buy either because it was better than the other. I bought them both because they are ultra-good cameras with unique and complementary feature sets. 

 

I agree with you about the rendering of different lenses, but I just can't get enthused about the outputs from the SL, across various lenses from what I've seen. :(

 

Where is the sweet spot with this camera? I suspect it's the 24-90 native lens optimised for the SL and shooting under studio conditions.

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I agree with you about the rendering of different lenses, but I just can't get enthused about the outputs from the SL, across various lenses from what I've seen. :(

 

Where is the sweet spot with this camera? I suspect it's the 24-90 native lens optimised for the SL and shooting under studio conditions.

 

 

The rendering qualities of the lenses and the look of photos is a matter of how the camera captures the image and how it is rendered in either in-camera or post-capture processing. 

 

I haven't used the 24-90 enough to gauge a sweet spot for it, but what I've shot with it shows it to have resolution and imaging qualities on par with my Leica M and R lenses. I use mostly the R lenses on the SL. 

 

I have 13 R lenses, all primes, focal lengths from 15 to 250 mm (and 360, 500 if you add the doubler to the 180 and 250). I've tested all of them on the SL and they all perform beautifully and show the same rendering characteristics they do on film when used with the Leicaflex SL or R8. The SL body captures the lenses imaging behavior beautifully and neutrally, and can give you more or less than that if you are looking for finished results out of the camera in JPEGs and tweak the JPEG settings. 

 

It's very much like the M-P typ 240 in that regard, and not like the M9 (which always suffered from poor white balance accuracy and idiosyncratic color rendering from in-camera JPEGs and needed a good bit of rendering skill to produce the results I wanted with raw capture). The resolution of both the M-P and SL is very much the same. The SL seems to have another stop or two of sensitivity and a bit more dynamic range, which means that at the neutral defaults the same image looks a little bit flatter—but that's just a matter of adjusting the image processing settings to your tastes. The SL sensor works a hair better than the M-P sensor with certain short focal length lenses as well. 

 

Of the R lenses, the ones that take my breath away when I shoot with them on the SL are the Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5, Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4, Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm f/2.8, Summicron-R 90mm f/2, and Elmar-R 180mm f/4. I've posted a few photos with each that are nearly straight out-of-camera JPEGs that I'm happy with. 

 

So what, specifically, do you want the SL to produce that it doesn't?

I want my camera to accurately and neutrally record what the lens images ... that's what the SL does. 

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Rotunda in Idaho Statehouse.  Outrageous camera and lens (24/90).  Handheld, 1/50 sec f/9.  ISO Auto (2500)

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Passing the Pub...

 

 

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SL, Vario Elmar-T 18-56

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Brown bud....

 

 

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SL, Macro Elmar-R 1:4/100

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Searching for Jupiter:

 

SL with Apo 280/f4 plus Apo 2x Extender, shot at f4 (f8) at ISO 3200 and 1/320 sec

 

Small one is a maximal crop to 245 x 245 pixels, big one is an enlargement from it.

 

Conclusion: it is possible to take a picture of Jupiter with the SL, which is not really a surprise. - Perhaps someone out there has been able to take a better shot of Jupiter with an SL using a different lens or settings? I'd be curious to see how one can push the limits of the SL with this target.

 

By the way, for those who like Jazz, "Searching for Jupiter" is an excellent piece by Magnus Öström (www.magnusostrom.com). 

 

 

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SL + Vario-Sonnar T* 35-135mm/f3.3-4.5

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SL + Vario-Sonnar T* 35-135mm/f3.3-4.5

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One of the first shots with the SL and the Vario-Elmar T 1:3.5 - 5.6/18-56 Asph. ISO 50, F10 at 1/160s.

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