likealot Posted July 24, 2015 Share #201 Posted July 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A small niche company cannot afford to make a large number of cameras on an unknown product..... look at the "T". From what I read it is not selling very well-- they certainly would not have made it unless they thought it was going to be a well received product. Same could be said of the "Q"-- they thought it would be well received-- it could have been a slow seller like the "T"... It is easy to be right looking in the rear view mirror. I'm not quite sure if Leica could be called "small" or "niche". It may not sell the same amount as Ca-Ni-So-Fu but that is mainly because it has positioned itself in the premium bracket of the market. Leica has tens of stores worldwide as well as a large list of authorised retailers that sell its products. The Q can never be compared to the T. The T was just another product which didn't bring a whole lot of innovation to the market (which the other Leica cameras hadn't). Whereas the Q brought a whole lot of new features. It is that good that if it had interchangeable lenses it probably would endanger the future of the M line. I think that Leica should be able to predict to a certain extent the market's demand and be prepared for it. Analysing the sales in the first few weeks of the product life would have given them an indication of what to expect. In my view Leica shouldn't be spreading itself between so many different models (M, Q, S, T, V, X and whatever else). One of the reasons that its production capabilities are so low is because it has spread itself between so many lines. If they concentrated their efforts on 3-4 product lines then they would be able to meet market demand and at the same time bring out products which are faultless. The M and the Q and the X have proven to be successful. So why not concentrate on those three lines (and another one to cover whatever market segement left) instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted July 24, 2015 Share #202 Posted July 24, 2015 Delays after launch are normal for Leica. Just the way they do things I'm afraid. At least those patient enough to wait should have a slightly more mature version when delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted July 24, 2015 Share #203 Posted July 24, 2015 Delays after launch are normal for Leica. Just the way they do things I'm afraid. At least those patient enough to wait should have a slightly more mature version when delivered. i like to think that i paid a lot of money to beta test the Q Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan0304 Posted July 24, 2015 Share #204 Posted July 24, 2015 Just received a phone call from Sean at Camerawest CA said that my Q would be arrived tomorrow. I placed the order on 7/8. Sean said he had pretty good delivery from Leica historically. You guys may check with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussgangerfoto Posted July 24, 2015 Share #205 Posted July 24, 2015 +1. IMO they will lose a lot of potential sales, at least in the US. Nobody really enjoys waiting for 3-4 months... This regularly happens with me. A new Leica product is launched. I put my name on a pre-order list. Realizing it'll take months, I satisfy my GAS by picking up a used lens, or another body (film or digital, often another brand) and by the time my name bubbles up the Leica list, I've lost interest (perhaps based on all the negative reviews of the early adopters) or have become interested in the NEXT rumored unattainable Leica object and put my name on THAT list. LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothlander Posted July 24, 2015 Share #206 Posted July 24, 2015 I placed an order w/BH on July 8th. I checked w/cust service yesterday and received an email stating they anticipated shipping on October 7, 2015. I checked w/the San Francisco Leica store and they told me if I pre ordered now, I would receive a Q by the end of August. I'm just going to stick with my BH order. I think that might allow Leica to work any manufacturing kinks out. Sigh. It kills me to see the images people are posting in the image thread. Great photographers using a nice camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfleet Posted July 25, 2015 Share #207 Posted July 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I placed an order w/BH on July 8th. Mine was placed on June 23rd, and today I was told that I'm about #100 on their list. The last shipment they received was about 30 pieces. I think we might be waiting a bit longer than Oct. 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Aurmont Posted July 25, 2015 Share #208 Posted July 25, 2015 Delays after launch are normal for Leica. Just the way they do things I'm afraid. At least those patient enough to wait should have a slightly more mature version when delivered. Rushed rather than matured, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 25, 2015 Share #209 Posted July 25, 2015 When I spoke with Adorama sales they informed me that they had 22 orders and 50 cameras on order and due in the first week of August. Don't know how true this is but it is better than B&H. Samy's only had a few orders (they require a deposit) and were expecting to get some in by early August. Again, this is salesman talking and may or may not be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie.lcf Posted July 25, 2015 Share #210 Posted July 25, 2015 Sorry, in todays photography world "delays after launch" are more frequent than not. The Sony A7R Mark II has been announced when exactly? Has anyone seen a single camera in the stores? There are numerous examples like this and both Fuji and Olympus like to announce products that are only available up to a year later. The Q announcement was followed by immediate availability in all Leica stores with at least 2-5 pieces per store - as far as I can tell. The fact that these sold out quickly and that re-supplies do not come in the millions is a Leica phenomenon. Yes - Leica does not mass produce in millions like Canon, Sony, Nikon or Fuji do. I understand that people living in Walmart dominated markets are used to things costing next to nothing and available in huge quantities because an army of factories in China spits out the product a million a day. A Leica is not a six pack of polyester towels for $1.99 There is still a slow economy out there, even in the US, where products are made by enthusiastic workers and not salary slaves. This shows in the product and I personally very much appreciate both the Grado headphones, that some guy in Brooklyn NYC made and fine tuned with his hands and ears as well as my Leica Q that some guy built with his hands and some other guy inspected (and signed the included inspection card with his name). I pay an insane amount of money for this because I value both the product and the circumstance under which it was built. For those who could not care less, there is a huge list of other camera makers out there who will be happy to sell you their product for much less money and a million of them at a time, if you so wish. Leica is different to Canon, Nikon, Sony etc and they have been around for 100 years. They have values (and faults) and all of this has been known for years - no surprises here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted July 26, 2015 Share #211 Posted July 26, 2015 I was waiting for a UPS delivery today, so I started to call around nationwide. Le Camera had one with a markup, and would not sell to a credit card. I found one more through another dealer at MSRP who is supposed to ship on Monday. Not too much to go on, but it may help a little. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren Posted July 26, 2015 Share #212 Posted July 26, 2015 Leica store in Los Angeles called me Sat to let me know I had reached the top of their list and that they had a Q for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted July 26, 2015 Share #213 Posted July 26, 2015 Sorry, in todays photography world "delays after launch" are more frequent than not. The Sony A7R Mark II has been announced when exactly? Has anyone seen a single camera in the stores? There are numerous examples like this and both Fuji and Olympus like to announce products that are only available up to a year later. The Q announcement was followed by immediate availability in all Leica stores with at least 2-5 pieces per store - as far as I can tell. The fact that these sold out quickly and that re-supplies do not come in the millions is a Leica phenomenon. Yes - Leica does not mass produce in millions like Canon, Sony, Nikon or Fuji do. I understand that people living in Walmart dominated markets are used to things costing next to nothing and available in huge quantities because an army of factories in China spits out the product a million a day. A Leica is not a six pack of polyester towels for $1.99 There is still a slow economy out there, even in the US, where products are made by enthusiastic workers and not salary slaves. This shows in the product and I personally very much appreciate both the Grado headphones, that some guy in Brooklyn NYC made and fine tuned with his hands and ears as well as my Leica Q that some guy built with his hands and some other guy inspected (and signed the included inspection card with his name). I pay an insane amount of money for this because I value both the product and the circumstance under which it was built. For those who could not care less, there is a huge list of other camera makers out there who will be happy to sell you their product for much less money and a million of them at a time, if you so wish. Leica is different to Canon, Nikon, Sony etc and they have been around for 100 years. They have values (and faults) and all of this has been known for years - no surprises here. They have actually been around for longer than 100 years and for me they don't need to change either... The only thing I don't get is the Leica Stores. If they want to make that concept work they IMO will need to change their way of doing things. BTW, I would be totally OK with ordering directly from Leica and dealing directly with Leica. I don't need the extra step in between. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 26, 2015 Share #214 Posted July 26, 2015 Rushed rather than matured, I'm afraid. well unfortunately this is the future now that they are all controlled by firmware revisions. Personally I am more than satisfied with the Q and have no big complaints. There are a few minor issues that need to be fixed quickly, but nothing that prevents me from using the camera and taking great images. I love the Q more everyday, a really well done camera and one of the best digital Leica's ever produced imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larksky Posted July 26, 2015 Share #215 Posted July 26, 2015 Leica store in Los Angeles called me Sat to let me know I had reached the top of their list and that they had a Q for me. When did you put your name on the waitlist jwarren? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren Posted July 26, 2015 Share #216 Posted July 26, 2015 When did you put your name on the waitlist jwarren? July 2 if memory serves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likealot Posted July 27, 2015 Share #217 Posted July 27, 2015 There is still a slow economy out there, even in the US, where products are made by enthusiastic workers and not salary slaves. This shows in the product and I personally very much appreciate both the Grado headphones, that some guy in Brooklyn NYC made and fine tuned with his hands and ears as well as my Leica Q that some guy built with his hands and some other guy inspected (and signed the included inspection card with his name). I pay an insane amount of money for this because I value both the product and the circumstance under which it was built. For those who could not care less, there is a huge list of other camera makers out there who will be happy to sell you their product for much less money and a million of them at a time, if you so wish. It is precisely because people care that they raise their point regarding how lack of availability can alienate potential new buyers. Not quite sure how the slow economy argument is relevant here when the camera is selling out. Leica products are mainly for people with a bit of financial security and the slow economy doesnt usually influence them much. As for the "enthusiastic worker and not salary slave" excuse I bet you that those workers at the Leica factory in Germany get paid quite a nice hefty wage. The bottom line is that Leica is bringing out new products in order to attract customers ( like all other companies do). And if that is the case then shortage of stock for a month or more is not going to do its expansion strategy any good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 27, 2015 Share #218 Posted July 27, 2015 You were probably the one that was just ahead of me as I was told I was number 2 on their list. I cancelled last Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted July 27, 2015 Share #219 Posted July 27, 2015 Whilst I freely admit to having my new Leica's shipped Overnight, surely if the camera is not available off the shelf, patience is the key word. I'm sure your current cameras do as good a job as ever. The Q is an excellent photographic tool and I'm sure you will have it to play with in the not to distant future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettori Posted July 27, 2015 Share #220 Posted July 27, 2015 I ordered mine 10 days ago and the Leica store today said it should be available in two days... I hope it's true P.S. Italy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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