keithlaban.co.uk Posted August 4, 2015 Share #21 Posted August 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Basic shortcomings here or there, this being a facelift that should not come as a surprise as it is not a new model. Quite right too. No surprise, but no sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lm_user Posted August 4, 2015 Share #22 Posted August 4, 2015 I like to buy a new camera on the 2yr 1 yr 2 yr .... Cyce. It is good for my checking acct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted August 4, 2015 Share #23 Posted August 4, 2015 I have never owned a "P" version though I was tempted when I had an M9 as I was not too keen on the steel gray paint and would have preferred chrome. However as things worked out by the time I thought I could justify an upgrade rumours of the the new M were circulating so I held off and bought a new M240 instead. I got a nice chrome body and a much improved camera. I am happy with both the appearance and functioning of the current M and do not feel any impulse to upgrade at present. I may well be tempted when the next new M appears or posiibly if a new version of the Q with interchangeable lenses is announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 4, 2015 Share #24 Posted August 4, 2015 I waited a year after announcement before getting an M-9. Got two of them, but didn't wait so long that I considered the 9-P. I got in early on the M[240], and added a second long before the P came along. If the 240 were not such an advance over the M9s I might have waited for an M-P, as I do miss the frame changing lever. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmitch6 Posted August 4, 2015 Share #25 Posted August 4, 2015 I actually prefer the aesthetics non-P models more. I don't mind the red dot or M engraving on the front at all, and even though I don't baby my gear, the standard LCD cover has been fine for my uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted August 4, 2015 Share #26 Posted August 4, 2015 I never had a "P" model until the M-P(240). I needed a backup for a project and decided to buy a M-P because I liked the bigger buffer and sapphire and the lettering was beautiful too. When the project completed, I sold the original M240. Did I need the M-P model? No. Did I want it for aesthetic reasons? I am sheepish about that but the answer is yes. Was I suckered by Leica? Maybe. If so, likely not the first time -- and not the last time either. An addict is an addict. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted August 4, 2015 Share #27 Posted August 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the OP asked a valid question, or at least valid for me: is it better to get on an MP cycle for purchasing than an M cycle? The Ps are better cameras - oh, they don't take better pictures but they do have advantages. Yes, they cost a little more. But they tend to have certain kinks worked out, and they are available, unlike new Ms, soon upon release. It's a very valid question, and as I have a new MP, bought through trading in an M9 with a corrosive sensor, I am wondering whether I can hold out for the release not of the M-250, or whatever it will be in September, but MP-250 at photokina in September 2016. Probably can't! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted August 5, 2015 Share #28 Posted August 5, 2015 I have not bought a P model. Maybe if any of the P features had not existed technologically at the intro of the non-P model I might. But Leica's habit of stripping off features then adding them back for more money on virtually the same camera midway into its product cycle rubs me the wrong way. And yes, the larger buffer wasn't stripped off the M9-P as the frame selector and sapphire screen were, but surely a larger buffer was not a new invention since the M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted August 5, 2015 Share #29 Posted August 5, 2015 I waited for the Leica M9-P, not having bought an M9, and I waited for the Leica M-P Typ 240 not having bought an M. My main reason is aesthetic, as I prefer the classic script top, and the lack of red dot on front. I don't fee the need to be an early adopter any more for cameras. Lenses, maybe, if they look to be optically very good. I did go for the Zeiss 25mm/1.4 Distagon ZM, and love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 5, 2015 Share #30 Posted August 5, 2015 I think the OP asked a valid question, or at least valid for me: is it better to get on an MP cycle for purchasing than an M cycle? The Ps are better cameras - oh, they don't take better pictures but they do have advantages. Yes, they cost a little more. But they tend to have certain kinks worked out, and they are available, unlike new Ms, soon upon release. It's a very valid question, and as I have a new MP, bought through trading in an M9 with a corrosive sensor, I am wondering whether I can hold out for the release not of the M-250, or whatever it will be in September, but MP-250 at photokina in September 2016. Probably can't! I agree they have some advantages. They have some disadvantages too, principal among them being that they don't always exist when you might want them. Most of the kinks that might get ironed in the P-versions out are likely to be firmware-type things, although I'm not aware of many improvements of this sort that have actually happened. The other changes are largely cosmetic in nature and could be offered as a choice from the outset. I dislike the way the P-programme works (it tends to devalue non-P cameras) so I avoid them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 5, 2015 Share #31 Posted August 5, 2015 I agree they have some advantages. They have some disadvantages too, principal among them being that they don't always exist when you might want them. Most of the kinks that might get ironed in the P-versions out are likely to be firmware-type things, although I'm not aware of many improvements of this sort that have actually happened. The other changes are largely cosmetic in nature and could be offered as a choice from the outset. I dislike the way the P-programme works (it tends to devalue non-P cameras) so I avoid them. Restoration of the frame lever could not be achieved with a firmware upgrade. That was the one real improvement which tipped the scales for me. P models tend to retain their price differential with time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 5, 2015 Share #32 Posted August 5, 2015 If the P program devalues the regular models, Peter, wouldn't it be smarter not to avoid them and take advantage of their better value? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted August 5, 2015 Share #33 Posted August 5, 2015 The frame lever allows you to preview a random subset of available focal lengths. Is this really useful? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 5, 2015 Share #34 Posted August 5, 2015 Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted August 5, 2015 Share #35 Posted August 5, 2015 No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 5, 2015 Share #36 Posted August 5, 2015 Sometimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted August 5, 2015 Share #37 Posted August 5, 2015 Infinitely more useful than the Movie button. I use the frame selector once every few hundred shots. The Movie function is really unfortunate, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 5, 2015 Share #38 Posted August 5, 2015 Actually I find the Movie button quite useful.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted August 5, 2015 Share #39 Posted August 5, 2015 Actually I find the Movie button quite useful.... I have never used the movie button. Maybe I should try it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted August 5, 2015 Share #40 Posted August 5, 2015 The Movie function is really unfortunate, IMHO. Why ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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