mjh Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1061 Posted September 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Look back a few hundred posts where I predicted a mirror-less MF camera. One cannot go wrong with that prediction as sooner or later there will be a mirrorless MF camera, from Leica or some other vendor. But not this year I’m afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edwardkaraa Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1062 Posted September 23, 2015 One cannot go wrong with that prediction as sooner or later there will be a mirrorless MF camera, from Leica or some other vendor. But not this year I’m afraid. So, it is AF! What else can you tell us Michael? Any more hints? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1063 Posted September 23, 2015 Medium Format? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1064 Posted September 23, 2015 Medium Format? That would be very interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1065 Posted September 23, 2015 That would be very interesting "Not medium format" would be interesting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1066 Posted September 23, 2015 If the Digilux2 was released in 2003, that makes Leica's incompetence with the EVF2 even worse. It wasn't luck that enabled Olympus to use the later technology - they included a processor on a cheap(ish) digital camera that could cope with the upgrade, where the more expensive Leica couldn't. (...) I guess we all have blind spots ... Since 2003 Leica has launched quite a few compacts that were built by Panasonic and that sported EVFs. How does that make the auxiliary device for the M240 better or worse? Since all camera manufacturer are better and drop fewer balls than Leica, how comes that so many here buy Leicas? Right - there are indeed things which Leica does better than the other ones. So they were challenged doing electronics back in 2009. Even with the modest processor in the M9, they had problems supplying the A/D converter with a sufficiently steady power. So why on earth didn't they use a more powerful one? This is, BTW, neither an apology nor a not-apology. It's a simple observation of available facts. But then, how many bugs were there in the first - say - two or three digital cameras by any of the competitors, and in their first production lots of - say again - of 100k units? I think what we are discussing now is simply the effect of Leica being late to arrive in the world of digital cameras. I, for one, am glad that there is anything at all to discuss. We also see some progress, and at a pretty impressive rate, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1067 Posted September 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, um, sorry, is it fair to say that there is no news at all of substance concerning a direct successor to the M240 at this point? I ask as someone considering an M240 but in no particular rush, just pondering on whether to buy now or wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1068 Posted September 23, 2015 So, um, sorry, is it fair to say that there is no news at all of substance concerning a direct successor to the M240 at this point? (...) News of any substance at all are most reasonably to be expected by Leica. What we're joyfully discussing here is all the vapor which often precedes any substance to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1069 Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks. I am absolutely OK with enjoyable discussion in the soupy mists that lie in the valleys and foothills of the pre-dawn of Leica announcements, I just wondered for the merest of moments, if there is actually a mountain up there ahead or is it just a trick of the light. I will return to my peaceful wondering and intensify my meditative calm. There is only the mountain within. Ommm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1070 Posted September 23, 2015 Ah, Jaap. At least you are a consistent apologist! If the Digilux2 was released in 2003, that makes Leica's incompetence with the EVF2 even worse. It wasn't luck that enabled Olympus to use the later technology - they included a processor on a cheap(ish) digital camera that could cope with the upgrade, where the more expensive Leica couldn't. Perhaps the EVF2 was very good when the M(240) was designed, but I'm sorry Jaap it makes no sense to fix in stone a digital design in 2010 for a camera released in 2013 when you've had experience of EVF and digital technology since at least 2003. I live for the day when you acknowledge - "Yes, the M(240) is very good in certain respects; but as a digital device, Leica dropped the ball in many other respects - not least designing a camera to standards in 2010 and releasing it in 2013 without the ability to take advantage of improvements in third party supplied accessories". Actually, no I don't. I guess we all have blind spots ... The funny thing being that I am probably one of the few members that uses the EVF regularly... Most critics don't even bother, from what I read here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1071 Posted September 23, 2015 .... Anyway, whatever we may think of the EVF2 now, in 2010/2011 when the M240 was designed, the thing was pretty much the best on the market, and considering it is just an auxiliary system, I don't think we could have expected more That's the main consideration,... it's an ACCESSORY for a OVF/RF Camera... I don't understand this quarreling on the EVF2 EVF4 EVF tech evolutions etc... I bought a Leica M... the camera with the framing/focusing system I have been accustomed for dozens of years...I bought, some time after, an ACCESSORY for it (btw, in my case, not original and a little used) that proved useful, and that's all... its technolgy is much more refined on cameras designed for it, and that is as obvious as the fact that, 30 years ago, it was much better using a SLR than a Leica M with Visoflex.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1072 Posted September 23, 2015 I use the EVF-2 maybe 10% of the time, for focusing in low-light with fast lenses wide open, focusing 3.4/135 APO-Telyt wide open, rarely when I don't feel like using an external optical VF for my WA lenses, and especially for my 28-90 and 80-200 R lenses. Good for framing and sometimes it is really nice to have real time histogram and exposure info in the VF. The lag and blackout really give me the shits and poor resolution does compromise fast focusing. However it is good enough for me not to require a second system for when I want to use the R zooms! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1073 Posted September 23, 2015 The Q EVF is awesome. I would use it no problem in manual mode. But the M, nope.. It's just faster for ME to use the RF. But in all fairness, it's faster for me to use the RF then it is for me to run around with a Nikon camera.. Anyway, point is, the Q EVF is fantastic. I'd assume a new camera would have that EVF in it. Virtually no lag or blackout BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1074 Posted September 23, 2015 Fitness for purpose. For my purpose, that is. I have bought the M and an EVF for those photographs I could not do or not do well enough with my M9. Now I can do more with my camera. Did my knowing that there are better EVFs affect my taking photographs? Not even once. Are there things I could have done with a better EVF only but not with my poor one? I don't think so. Even if I had, the occasions must have so few and far between that I would not even think of replacing it with a more recent one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1075 Posted September 23, 2015 Since 2003 Leica has launched quite a few compacts that were built by Panasonic and that sported EVFs. How does that make the auxiliary device for the M240 better or worse? Since all camera manufacturer are better and drop fewer balls than Leica, how comes that so many here buy Leicas? Right - there are indeed things which Leica does better than the other ones. So they were challenged doing electronics back in 2009. Even with the modest processor in the M9, they had problems supplying the A/D converter with a sufficiently steady power. So why on earth didn't they use a more powerful one? This is, BTW, neither an apology nor a not-apology. It's a simple observation of available facts. But then, how many bugs were there in the first - say - two or three digital cameras by any of the competitors, and in their first production lots of - say again - of 100k units? I think what we are discussing now is simply the effect of Leica being late to arrive in the world of digital cameras. I, for one, am glad that there is anything at all to discuss. We also see some progress, and at a pretty impressive rate, I think. Sorry to quote your whole post, Philip - I'm on my phone. As Leica have been in the digital game since 2003, and they pulled off the remarkable achievement of the M9, they are neither new comers, nor incompetent (generally). We buy Leicas because they are remarkable. The EVF2 choice and processor were below what we expect, and to be frank, pay for. That doesn't mean the World will stop turning, but they did royally screw up on this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1076 Posted September 23, 2015 As Leica have been in the digital game since 2003. Have they, now? There have been digital cameras labelled as Leica before the fabulous D2. However, they most likely will not count as experience with digital technology for Leica. They were AFAIK wholly designed and built by third parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1077 Posted September 23, 2015 I try to avoid these threads but was tempted to look finally. I think for me I shall search by member (mjh for example) for a more concise reading. i am puzzled and bemused by the mention of a medium format Leica in the future in mirrorless style though. I regard the excellent optical viewfinder in my S2 as one of its real strengths and indeed plan for the Typ 007 as soon as I can manage it. I don't care about the video capability although that is simply personal preference (as with my M) but I welcome the higher ISO availability as well as the other improvements. Only one of the topics intertwined in this thread of course. Whatever speculated other cameras or systems may appear, I think we each view from our own perspective. For example whether we want to use the lenses we already own (M or R or S) each of us to our own niche really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1078 Posted September 23, 2015 Optical viewfinders - separate ones - are highly demanded too. Please look at the prices of the SBOOI (OVF for 50mm lenses). Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1079 Posted September 23, 2015 "Not medium format" would be interesting? Hmmm, I meant interesting, but not necessarily in a good way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistral75 Posted September 23, 2015 Share #1080 Posted September 23, 2015 'Leica News and Rumors', formerly 'Leica Rumors', is more and more 'Leica News' and less and less 'Leica Rumors'.Peter was very silent when there were the first rumours surrounding a potential Leica Q (Typ 116), close to those we have today concerning Leica SL (Typ 601) and, surprise surprise, published a hands-on review of the Q on the day of its announcement: Leica had lent him a pre-series camera .Things are not different with Leica SL (Typ 601) as shown in the following exchange:Bo Dezwhat happened to the rumours?Leica Rumors Admin --> Bo DezWhich rumors exactly? I already reported what I am expecting and nothing has changed since: http://leicarumors.com/2015/08/26/what-to-expect-from-leica-camera-in-the-next-few-months-new-system-camera-noctilux-x-u-typ-113.aspx/Bo Dez --> Leica RumorsThanks, I saw that How quickly a month goes!Leica should be launching a new M, there is this new ILC, and the Noctilux talk too, yet all is quiet. Last time all was quiet you had the Q.... ;-)Leica Rumors Admin --> Bo DezSorry, no comment.Bo Dez --> Leica Rumors lol. How about the Leica SL, for example?Leica Rumors Admin --> Bo DezSorry, no comment.Source : http://leicarumors.com/2015/09/21/new-gariz-leather-half-case-for-leica-q-typ-116-camera.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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