IkarusJohn Posted September 21, 2015 Share #961 Posted September 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Given previous product cycles I would have expected a new M update next year not this. How does that work? M8 - 2006 M9 - 2009 M(240) - 2012 M? - 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NZDavid Posted September 21, 2015 Share #962 Posted September 21, 2015 Cool bananas. I was thinking of Photokina. And the lag between announcement and availability. So now I expect we should have some more rumors and leaks cropping up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #963 Posted September 21, 2015 The M240 being already a very mature product with no major issues, I don't think it is necessary for Leica to keep the 3 years upgrade cycle. On one hand, they can now concentrate on the new AF mirrorless system, on the other, we are happy that we can use our cameras a couple of years more without needing to buy the newest model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 21, 2015 Share #964 Posted September 21, 2015 Could be - you don't "need" to buy the latest model, you know ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #965 Posted September 21, 2015 Could be - you don't "need" to buy the latest model, you know ... I know, but I get an itch every time there is a new model, that doesn't go away until I buy it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 21, 2015 Share #966 Posted September 21, 2015 I think video on the M is greatly misunderstood. It's there for utility because it can be there (cmos sensor). It's actually very high quality and good for the occasional clips for people like me who don't do video as a rule but occasionally there is a call for a family video. So I don't have to carry another camera. Leica clearly didn't spend a whole lot of investment there and judging each feature by the best of the opposition is missing the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #967 Posted September 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) +1 and more... That is exactly how I use and I think how a PJ would use it. The only thing I regret is the absence of a microphone jack when using the EVF. Another good use is to record short comment when shooting stills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #968 Posted September 21, 2015 The M240's EVF is obsolete and should be replaced as soon as possible IMO. May mean 2016 given that the M240 was not available before 2013. Just a guess though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #969 Posted September 21, 2015 The M240's EVF is obsolete and should be replaced as soon as possible IMO. May mean 2016 given that the M240 was not available before 2013. Just a guess though. The EVF is absolutely outdated. However, it never felt good on the M240. It's position is awkward imho. I would rather keep the M240 as a strictly RF camera, and get the new camera with its integrated EVF for wides, teles...etc. It would be a great back up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 21, 2015 Share #970 Posted September 21, 2015 The M240's EVF is obsolete and should be replaced as soon as possible IMO. May mean 2016 given that the M240 was not available before 2013. Just a guess though. Also worth noting that Leica is at the cutting edge of EVF (see Q) Sharp intake of air Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #971 Posted September 21, 2015 It is obsolete, but as the camera was designed before better EVFs were available, replacement on the M240 is not possible. We will have to wait for the next iteration of the M for that. Things being overtaken by newer things is the nature of technical advancement, I fear. I think the EVF is still within the "good enough for the purpose" range, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #972 Posted September 21, 2015 It is obsolete, but as the camera was designed before better EVFs were available, replacement on the M240 is not possible. We will have to wait for the next iteration of the M for that. That's what i meant. The next M should be launched in 2015 or 2016 for this reason IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 21, 2015 Share #973 Posted September 21, 2015 The EVF is absolutely outdated. However, it never felt good on the M240. It's position is awkward imho. I would rather keep the M240 as a strictly RF camera, and get the new camera with its integrated EVF for wides, teles...etc. It would be a great back up too. Expensive back up though. Will i order a $ or € 7K EVIL just for using my R lenses? I would prefer an updated M with a faster EVF personally but anyway, Leica can hardly sell new Ms with an obsolete EVF any longer IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #974 Posted September 21, 2015 That's what i meant. The next M should be launched in 2015 or 2016 for this reason IMHO.Yes, it should be launched around then, but not for this reason IMO. A better EVF would not be a reason to upgrade for me, as it is not the main viewfinding system, and, as I said, fit for purpose. If I wanted a beautiful EVIL camera, I would buy a beautiful EVIL camera, not necessarily a Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #975 Posted September 21, 2015 Yes, it should be launched around then, but not for this reason IMO. A better EVF would not be a reason to upgrade for me, as it is not the main viewfinding system, and, as I said, fit for purpose. If I wanted a beautiful EVIL camera, I would buy a beautiful EVIL camera, not necessarily a Leica. If I buy an EVIL camera, I want it to play well with my M mount glass. I expect the new Leica to do that. If not I have no use for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 21, 2015 Share #976 Posted September 21, 2015 Expensive back up though. Will i order a $ or € 7K EVIL just for using my R lenses? I would prefer an updated M with a faster EVF personally but anyway, Leica can hardly sell new Ms with an obsolete EVF any longer IMHO.Expensive, yes, but I would justify the cost by skipping one M generation. I'm very happy with the M240 after all. By the way, the quoted price includes a 50 cron kit lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxo Posted September 21, 2015 Share #977 Posted September 21, 2015 If I buy an EVIL camera, I want it to play well with my M mount glass. I expect the new Leica to do that. If not I have no use for it. Same to me. I want to own one camera where WYSIWYG is true, an EVIL. Then I can use (furthcoming) zoom lenses, macro-lenses and I can focus e.g. the 135mm better, than guessing by rangefinder. I long for a new EVIL by Leica, rather than changing the system (Sony A7r...). Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2015 Share #978 Posted September 21, 2015 If I buy an EVIL camera, I want it to play well with my M mount glass. I expect the new Leica to do that. If not I have no use for it. For me, not really. It would need to work with my long R lenses and as an emergency backup, not much more. I know that other brands already offer cameras that do this, but in general I don't like them enough to consider them a replacement and as a backup I already have a NEX 7 (Not that the EVF is much better than the M240 one...). I would repace it by one of the A7s, but I cannot look past the fugliness of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share #979 Posted September 21, 2015 BTW, i have bought the EVF together with 240 and never used it. I mean EVF, still on my bag in its original package. But if i could switch the mode in camera between RF AND EVF IT WOULD BE great. in daylight time i would be happy with classic RF focusing and EVF for evening shots. Thats sounds crazy, right? I have spent 2 weeks in USA with 240 and main problem was - weight and thciknes of the body. Thats it. If they can do slimmer M with the same functions, i would swap it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted September 21, 2015 Share #980 Posted September 21, 2015 I have spent 2 weeks in USA with 240 and main problem was - weight and thciknes of the body. Thats it. If they can do slimmer M with the same functions, i would swap it What are you comparing the M240 to? It must be a film camera. I can see that, but the M240 is really no larger than the M8. Why do so many people think that it is? M8 Max Thickness = 45mm (Includes 4-way switch and front button) Body Thickness = 37mm (as measured at bottom plate) Width X Height = 139mm X 80.5mm M 240 Max Thickness = 43mm (Includes thumbrest) Body Thickness = 38mm (as measured at bottom plate) Width X Height = 139mm X 80.7mm Measured with my Mitutoyo dial calipers. Now the weight is different, but the size is virtually the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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