semi-ambivalent Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1541 Posted October 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps the reason so many professionals no longer use Leica [emoji3] I often think the "Pro-use" thing is a red herring. Canikon produces sooo many cameras. They need pros but mostly to set up a scenario of pro usage in order to shill to the wannabes. They would go out of business if only pros bought their stuff. A lot of bloggers would disappear too; not enough eyeballs. I should just check out until the dog and pony show is over. Then I could get the real dirt. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1542 Posted October 7, 2015 It seems the worse part about this rumor is zero discussion about a new M. In some ways there is a contentment for us M owners right now knowing that the new M may not be announced until Photokina 2016. We can enjoy the excellent M240 with our collection of top notch lenses for another year assuming, the new M will only be that much better by the end of next year... and we can concentrate on photography while we watch the SL introduction unfold over at least the next year. So, no news about a new M may be good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1543 Posted October 7, 2015 The current model sports a CMOS sensor supporting live-view and (4K and HD) movie recording, although the S-E (Typ 006) is still available for those preferring a CCD. Wow.. sorry... as a M monogamist I am so distant from S that even didn't take note of the CMOS version... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1544 Posted October 7, 2015 So, no news about a new M may be good news. Agree. And improvements will come, it's only a question of time. No problems enjoying the existing M system until (and beyond) 2016... Despite of it's well-known deficiencies, I find the M-system particularly useful due to the combination of high quality optics and relative low weight/size factor (with the 50-Noct as an exception to the weight/size rule). For me, shifting to the SL-system is only an option if it turns out that the quality-size-weight mix is clearly favourable compared to the M-system. Although the weight and size of the SL body might be similar to the M, the guestimated zoom-lenses appear rather large. Autofocus is not high up on the priority list for me, at least for the time being. Exciting times nevertheless. And it will be interesting to learn how the new system will handle M, R and other brand lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1545 Posted October 7, 2015 For me, shifting to the SL-system is only an option if it turns out that the quality-size-weight mix is clearly favourable compared to the M-system. Although the weight and size of the SL body might be similar to the M, the guestimated zoom-lenses appear rather large. Autofocus is not high up on the priority list for me, at least for the time being. Exciting times nevertheless. And it will be interesting to learn how the new system will handle M, R and other brand lenses. Agreed - The mix needs to be favorable. One of the reason I came to the M system was the small form factor in relation to DSLR's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1546 Posted October 7, 2015 Yep, post #1490.... services, in addition to gear needs, as the photographer defines. Jeff This is right, I shoot with Leica's professionally and have a fast turnaround of repairs (<1 week) once you register your company with Wetzlar. The other key differentiator with an amateur of whatever ability is that I need kit to work under pressure and work reliably, if I don't fulfill the brief then I don't get paid which does concentrate the mind rather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1547 Posted October 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yep, post #1490.... services, in addition to gear needs, as the photographer defines. Jeff This is right, I shoot with Leica's professionally and have a fast turnaround of repairs (<1 week) once you register your company with Wetzlar. The other key differentiator with an amateur of whatever ability is that I need kit to work under pressure and work reliably, if I don't fulfill the brief then I don't get paid which does concentrate the mind rather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likealot Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1548 Posted October 7, 2015 Anyway, I have to say this: 1.when the M8 is "stable", and all problems are sorting out, the camera is nice, beautiful and the images (2.at low ISOs) are wonderful. The S, T, and the M family is great... the S(007) and the Q are a hint on how far Leica can go today... those cameras are second to none. The new system will show those high standards, sure. This is the right moment to do it. The price will be high but 3.this is the price of excellence! (We Europeans should be 4.proud of those German & Portuguese factories). I'll comment on the areas I have boldened from your post: 1. When is definitely the key word there 2. Does that mean that the images at high ISO are not so wonderful? 3. In view of the 2 points above (as well as the numerous other problems that have been well documented in this forum in relation to M, Q and other models) I would love to know your definition of excellence. 4. Of course, we can be proud, and certainly pay the price for it. Because if those factories were in China the whole world would still be proud of them and would certainly pay a lot less for pride (and the customer base would very likely grow as a result of cheaper prices). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1549 Posted October 7, 2015 Agree. And improvements will come, it's only a question of time. No problems enjoying the existing M system until (and beyond) 2016... Despite of it's well-known deficiencies, I find the M-system particularly useful due to the combination of high quality optics and relative low weight/size factor (with the 50-Noct as an exception to the weight/size rule). For me, shifting to the SL-system is only an option if it turns out that the quality-size-weight mix is clearly favourable compared to the M-system. Although the weight and size of the SL body might be similar to the M, the guestimated zoom-lenses appear rather large. Autofocus is not high up on the priority list for me, at least for the time being. Exciting times nevertheless. And it will be interesting to learn how the new system will handle M, R and other brand lenses. Exactly as my thoughts... supposed the SL is weight/size not far from M... I admit that going out with a 24/90 can be more comfortable than with 3 primes... but for my amateur's attitudes this is MARGINAL... won't spend 10K for this... there MUST be something else to have a "clearly favourable comparision"... oh well... let's wait,,, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1550 Posted October 7, 2015 Exactly as my thoughts... supposed the SL is weight/size not far from M... I admit that going out with a 24/90 can be more comfortable than with 3 primes... but for my amateur's attitudes this is MARGINAL... won't spend 10K for this... there MUST be something else to have a "clearly favourable comparision"... oh well... let's wait,,, ...... and it will certainly give good indication of what will be in the next M successor ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1551 Posted October 7, 2015 I'll comment on the areas I have boldened from your post: 1. When is definitely the key word there 2. Does that mean that the images at high ISO are not so wonderful? 3. In view of the 2 points above (as well as the numerous other problems that have been well documented in this forum in relation to M, Q and other models) I would love to know your definition of excellence. 4. Of course, we can be proud, and certainly pay the price for it. Because if those factories were in China the whole world would still be proud of them and would certainly pay a lot less for pride (and the customer base would very likely grow as a result of cheaper prices). 1. That is why the word "when" is there. 2. I avoid using the camera at high ISO values, due to the dynamic range compression and detail, tonality and color deterioration. 3. Excellence means high standards: materials, precision, design, and output quality (images). 4. I am not Chinese. It is difficult to establish a strong competition in electronics from Europe. Not even the giant Kodak was able to do the same from USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1552 Posted October 7, 2015 I sure will be glad when the announcement comes as I am tired of reading what we all want and think the next camera from Leica will have in its body. Then the next round of threads will appear most of which will again be useless, unless the thread is written by someone who has had hands-on use of this new wonder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1553 Posted October 8, 2015 In my opinion, a Leica alphabet means only one thing. It's position in the pricing tier. An SL will be cheaper than an S but more expensive than an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1554 Posted October 8, 2015 [...] An SL will be cheaper than an S but more expensive than an M. It'd better be much better than Sony / Zeiss then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1555 Posted October 8, 2015 This is right, I shoot with Leica's professionally and have a fast turnaround of repairs (<1 week) once you register your company with Wetzlar. The other key differentiator with an amateur of whatever ability is that I need kit to work under pressure and work reliably, if I don't fulfill the brief then I don't get paid which does concentrate the mind rather. Fast turnaround of repairs only applies to those living in the northern hemisphere near main population centres. Then it takes weeks not months as is the case here. Best to find an independent service centre. That applies for other makes, too, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1556 Posted October 8, 2015 If the a has s quality optics in a 35 m body I'll definitely be at the front of the que. It'll be a huge bonus if it shares the M. battery. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1557 Posted October 8, 2015 MF quality in a 35mm body ? I'd think Einstein and Feynman would be first in the queue ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1558 Posted October 8, 2015 MF quality in a 35mm body ? I'd think Einstein and Feynman would be first in the queue ..... Hey, it sells cameras... s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1559 Posted October 8, 2015 MF quality in a 35mm body ? I'd think Einstein and Feynman would be first in the queue ..... If you were referring to me, I said S quality OPTICS. Not MF quality. ie: If the lenses are as good as the ones they make for the S system but for a 35mm sensor..... Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 8, 2015 Share #1560 Posted October 8, 2015 If you were referring to me, I said S quality OPTICS. Not MF quality. ie: If the lenses are as good as the ones they make for the S system but for a 35mm sensor..... Gordon I thought the M ones are .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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