Vip Posted June 10, 2015 Share #1 Posted June 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking at the new Q sounds me like a market test for a possible new M with interchangable M lenses but with EVF. Can be cheaper ( withouit rangenfinder) can be smaller, can be perceived from younger generation as a more modern camera. I know that the rangefinder is unbeatible , but this does not work for all. Many possible customer are scared from rangefinder till they learn it. I started my Leica experince with the R 3, than R4, R5, R8 with more than ten lenses from 15mm to 280. I had the opportunity to use in between the M. I perceived how god it was and how better can be; but took a long period before I reach the M9 and now the M240. Now I would never come back. But was difficult at first. My doughter loves the T that she very happy uses. She loves the M , she percive the better quality, but still use the T. I see that many new customer can be conquered by a Q alike ( in M system). Later they can discover an M. Smart move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Hi Vip, Take a look here Is the new Q the future M-E. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rosuna Posted June 10, 2015 Share #2 Posted June 10, 2015 This camera seems to be a test model for future M cameras... it would be good news.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 10, 2015 Share #3 Posted June 10, 2015 Good news with a mandatory EVF? Thanks no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted June 10, 2015 Share #4 Posted June 10, 2015 Not sure you can liken the Q to a future M-E. The latter is more like a remaindered M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted June 10, 2015 Share #5 Posted June 10, 2015 I've always felt the M should have remained a pure rangefinder camera with no EVF or focus peaking or video and let a FF autofocus mirrorless camera like the Q with interchangeable lenses fill those needs. That system could also serve the former R market by offering adapters, fast zooms and long teles. The M240 is so bloated and totally contradicts the idea of the M being niche, simple and pared down. And they should never have introduced the T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 10, 2015 Share #6 Posted June 10, 2015 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 10, 2015 Share #7 Posted June 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) -1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 10, 2015 Share #8 Posted June 10, 2015 +1 (that makes a running total of 1 so far ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wosim Posted June 10, 2015 Share #9 Posted June 10, 2015 The real strength of the M is the real optical rangefinder without the DSLR or EVF "tunnel view". The combination with an integrated EVF and / or with a "Konost-like", sensor-based rangefinder would be much appreciated for expanding the M's capabilities for macro and longer lenses. Without a true rangefinder I could go for every DSLR or mirror less Sony alpha. The rangefinder makes the difference, I am ready to pay for - and the lenses, but not for one without the other. It's the combination, nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted June 10, 2015 Share #10 Posted June 10, 2015 I had the same idea that the Q might be a test, if M photographers would go with a EVF. Stefan Daniel today explained that this is not going to happen: The optical rangefinder and the resulting experience for the M-photographer will remain the keystone of the M-system. Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 10, 2015 Share #11 Posted June 10, 2015 The optical rangefinder and the resulting experience for the M-photographer will remain the keystone of the M-system. Glad to hear it. IMO the traditional RF is the entire point of the M system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted June 10, 2015 Share #12 Posted June 10, 2015 same here , the Q is a future M without RF or optional or whateverPhotokina 2016 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 10, 2015 Share #13 Posted June 10, 2015 Good news with a mandatory EVF? Thanks no thanks. No, no... I was thinking on the guts of the camera, not the mandatory EVF... (Anyway, a new M camera with mandatory EVF as alternative to the classic M model is a good idea too). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 10, 2015 Share #14 Posted June 10, 2015 I had the same idea that the Q might be a test, if M photographers would go with a EVF. Stefan Daniel today explained that this is not going to happen: The optical rangefinder and the resulting experience for the M-photographer will remain the keystone of the M-system. Andreas That is true for current M photographers... that is why they came to the M system after all... but, what about new potential M photographers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 10, 2015 Share #15 Posted June 10, 2015 Without a true rangefinder I could go for every DSLR or mirror less Sony alpha. The rangefinder makes the difference, I am ready to pay for - and the lenses, but not for one without the other. It's the combination, nothing else. No, you would be better with a M-EVF camera, with special sensor/firmware and M mount than a Sony. Using M lenses on other bodies is sometimes very frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 10, 2015 Share #16 Posted June 10, 2015 That is true for current M photographers... that is why they came to the M system after all... but, what about new potential M photographers? I used to be a potential M photographer before I became an actual M photographer. Believe me, the rangefinder can be attractive for new users as well, not only for photographers who have bought the first M3 when it entered the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wosim Posted June 10, 2015 Share #17 Posted June 10, 2015 That is true for current M photographers... that is why they came to the M system after all... but, what about new potential M photographers? A photographer, who only wants an EVF may be the user of an future interchangeable AF Q-type camera with new M-mount compatible mount, opening both worlds of AF- and traditional M-lenses, but will never sample the advantages and pleasures of using an optical rangefinder. Probably there will be two M-mount camera families in the near future? - One can always dream ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wosim Posted June 10, 2015 Share #18 Posted June 10, 2015 No, you would be better with a M-EVF camera, with special sensor/firmware and M mount than a Sony. Using M lenses on other bodies is sometimes very frustrating. Therefore I wrote, that using one without the other makes no sense. No rangefinder, no Leica lenses - no compromises! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted June 10, 2015 Share #19 Posted June 10, 2015 Now imagine the Q-design was a model for a future "M": good EVF, fast autofocus, potent sensor. And imagine at the same time that the optical rangefinder was "the keystone of the M-System". Both versions find their advocates here and outside the forum. And now imagine the "New M" presented fall 2015 - in two versions: an M-Q with EVF and an M-P with optical rangefinder, both with M-bayonet for any lense which suits the M. Would anybody have problems with such a proposal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 10, 2015 Share #20 Posted June 10, 2015 I had the same idea that the Q might be a test, if M photographers would go with a EVF. Stefan Daniel today explained that this is not going to happen: The optical rangefinder and the resulting experience for the M-photographer will remain the keystone of the M-system. Andreas Good... Stefan Daniel MUST reply like this, TODAY : M is on their pricelist and at dealers' shops... to be SOLD, not to be admired as "ah ! The last Leica with Rangefinder..." Anyway, the RF is a component on which they have TOTAL control in terms of manufacturing... they can keep available cameras with it as long as they and the market will decide... like for the mechanical Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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