squarenegs Posted August 23, 2014 Share #61 Posted August 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I loved all the analogue controls on my EPSONs and especially loved and now miss the flip-screen. Turn it in and get that ol' film feeling when the mood strikes BUT.... No screen at all? Did I sleep in? Is it April 1st? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarkP Posted August 23, 2014 Share #62 Posted August 23, 2014 What a dichotomy between 21st century technology and Luddite Leica users At this stage I'm not at all interested in such a camera but I've said that before . I'll wait to see how Leica addresses access to whatever is left of the camera's digital controls & options. There is something very nice about the simplicity of the film M cameras that would be attractive in a digital M. We all obviously value minimalist analogue controls. If the camera's size and weight was closer to that of a film M camera then that would address an issue that has been annoying digital M users for a while but I can't see Leica re-designing and downsizing the camera's chassis (unless they're going to use M7 bodies ) and removal of the back screen will only remove a relatively small amount of weight and minimal depth. I assume ISO and ±EV adjustment would be via a dial on the back of the camera as per the M film cameras. It will be interesting to see how it will display other information such as remaining images/memory on SD card, remaining battery power, settings for non-coded lenses, and light meter options (centre-weighted, spot, multi). The latter would probably be abandoned - useful but not essential as most of us probably primarily use centre weighted. Perhaps a small top-deck screen. I wonder if Leica plans for it to still be compatible with the EVF which would could give another way of accessing/adjusting settings. There are only two current features that I would miss. I find the histogram to have been the biggest single advance in camera use since going to digital. If I go to the screen whilst shooting it is primarily to check the histogram - I assume it would be abandoned or perhaps some version displayed with the other essential information). There are also times when Auto ISO is very useful by allowing me to fix shutter speed and aperture. However I otherwise don't change Auto ISO settings so if this feature was somehow maybe I could/would be preset. I don't know whether I'd miss the screen. Maybe I'll turn it off for a while and see. I use other digital features very rarely so they would not be missed. Now they jut need a Monochrom version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 23, 2014 Share #63 Posted August 23, 2014 Well I have some inside information that I would not disclose except that time is short. Leica is going to release a model that refreshes the sensor, eliminating bad pixels/grain with every new image. Leica will introduce a super-efficient processing facility to make it so. They will offer a three-tiered service (informally in-house named Superior Service, Nominal Service, and Walmart Crap.) Welcome back the Leica M7, and all her children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted August 24, 2014 Share #64 Posted August 24, 2014 I really like this idea. You shouldn't need need the screen if you added the following: 1. Memory card and battery capacity indicators like the old film count windows. 2. Colour Histogram 3. ISO Dial If you need any more information such as framing you can use the EVF... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted August 24, 2014 Share #65 Posted August 24, 2014 I really like this idea. You shouldn't need need the screen if you added the following:1. Memory card and battery capacity indicators like the old film count windows. 2. Colour Histogram 3. ISO Dial If you need any more information such as framing you can use the EVF... Yes! And to avoid the use of an LCD screen for the histogram display, they could use a CRT screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 24, 2014 Share #66 Posted August 24, 2014 I can see who a camera of this sort would appeal to, it is the photographer who see's photography as a test rather than an art. Proving they have the best lens, the best camera bag, and the best camera body, ideally designed to test their manhood, are what makes that photograph of the sunset they grabbed so very special. I can see why Leica would be tempted to sell a camera without an LCD, because they know their client base very well. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted August 24, 2014 Share #67 Posted August 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well to be fair, a histogram display would be a lot smaller than a regular screen, so I don't think the CRT analogy is entirely fair... Yes! And to avoid the use of an LCD screen for the histogram display, they could use a CRT screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted August 24, 2014 Share #68 Posted August 24, 2014 While the idea of a digital camera without a screen is pretty out there for sure and probably will never happen, one thing I love about film photography is seeing the results some time later instead of chimping there and then. I don't know why but this adds more fun and excitement. It also forces you to think more which seems to (despite all the technical aids of digital) improve ones hit rate. I don't know why... The only thing I hate about film is the delay and effort involved with processing and scanning. Said screen-less digital camera would appear on paper to offer the best of both worlds... Let's not forget one could always use EVF for chimping, framing, etc on said hypothetical camera. But I'm all for this as a limited edition series or something, why not? I can see who a camera of this sort would appeal to, it is the photographer who see's photography as a test rather than an art. Proving they have the best lens, the best camera bag, and the best camera body, ideally designed to test their manhood, are what makes that photograph of the sunset they grabbed so very special. I can see why Leica would be tempted to sell a camera without an LCD, because they know their client base very well. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 24, 2014 Share #69 Posted August 24, 2014 I don't think an EVF would be acceptable for the purists that are pining for an LCD-less camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted August 24, 2014 Share #70 Posted August 24, 2014 Some of the "purists" just want the form factor of the M7 back. Given that you scarcely ever need the display on the back if the camera, depending on how you work, just dropping it sounds like a reasonable solution for some users. "I can not imagine using it with/without feature _____ so all customers must have exactly the same one as I have" is often seen here. Why, I wonder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 24, 2014 Share #71 Posted August 24, 2014 Why tailor-made suits and only ready-to-wear cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 24, 2014 Share #72 Posted August 24, 2014 Some of the "purists" just want the form factor of the M7 back. Isn't that exactly what makes them a purist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted August 24, 2014 Share #73 Posted August 24, 2014 Seeing that they have only just developed the 'T' with it's minimalist touch-screen LCD covering the whole back of the camera I would have thought that any LCDless M would be highly unlikely. I suppose though that you could make an camera without the LCD on the back but a display on the top plate aka nikons & canons that showed all of your settings etc and just have a high quality additional EVF. This could be an interesting approach as I never really use the rear LCD for taking an image but just to change settings and review, I do though use the EVF a lot and love the fact that I can tilt it up so this possible iteration of the camera would certainly interest me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted August 24, 2014 Share #74 Posted August 24, 2014 Isn't that exactly what makes them a purist? I don't think it has to be a question of "purity"; some members claim that the increase in girth makes the camera uncomfortable or less secure to hold in the hand. I can partially understand that sentiment because changing the body by that amount may make the digital M feel at least foreign to those accustomed to the sleeker ancestors. Even I dither from time to time over the choice of camera to take with me and the girth and heft of the M over that of the M6 makes me leave the M at home at times. Not that it matters, of course, because those are the occasions where taking photographs isn't the main concern, anyway, and I have enough cameras to serve me for nearly every situation I'm likely to encounter. I'm not in the market for a displayless M. That kind of discussion must have taken place with the introduction of the RF in the screw mount Leicas, with the introduction of the M3 and, of course, with the M5, I fancy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted August 24, 2014 Share #75 Posted August 24, 2014 to me, purists like a M7 slim camera size. Digital-M are fantastic cameras but too fat, proportions are not so beautiful. M6-7 are so beautifully slim and MP a bit taller too (probably a too small camera for today's lenses but proportionally well made in itself). To me the next Leica innovation should be a slimmer body with actual m-240 technology, not a CaNikon features follower camera. Greetings, Sara Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted August 24, 2014 Share #76 Posted August 24, 2014 sorry ...MP a bit LESS taller... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2014 Share #77 Posted August 24, 2014 LTM sized with a FF chip up to 100k ISO and with1Dx-class AF, paired with an Elmar sized Noctilux. Affordable In store by September Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted August 24, 2014 Share #78 Posted August 24, 2014 Since when has the M7 been an icon of photographic purism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted August 24, 2014 Share #79 Posted August 24, 2014 Since when has the M7 been an icon of photographic purism? You're right, no doubt.....But M7 has started to become an icon since M8 came into the market because of analog vs digital struggle. Film cameras are slimmer than digital ones and they look a lot better. with or without a display, the digital M cameras are too fat with the actual chassis and cover. To me display is mandatory in digital cams, otherwise you have to fulfill the cover with mini displays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted August 24, 2014 Share #80 Posted August 24, 2014 I heard a rumour about a month ago that the lcd is going to be replaced by a very large screw. I assume that you are referring to the price . I have to admit I'm not too keen on the look of the new M-P. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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